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Crazy list, a coach with 2 years at his current school, three coaches with just one year, and one w/o even that. How did Herm Edwards not make the list?! :P

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10 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Why the hell do we still have this pretentious system where we masquerade future NFL athletes as scholars?  Does the young man need a 2.5 GPA to average 4.3 ypc in the NFL?

Does anyone think he genuinely is coming to Div I in order to obtain a quality degree for the rest of his life?  Hell no, he is coming here to hopefully get to the next level and the U's only desire of him is to make money for the U.  

 

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11 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Why the hell do we still have this pretentious system where we masquerade future NFL athletes as scholars?  Does the young man need a 2.5 GPA to average 4.3 ypc in the NFL?

Does anyone think he genuinely is coming to Div I in order to obtain a quality degree for the rest of his life?  Hell no, he is coming here to hopefully get to the next level and the U's only desire of him is to make money for the U.  

I have absolutely no desire to diminish the "student" part of "student athlete" more than what it already has been.  These kids are given a chance to actually have something they can make a living at in the future.  The vast majority of them will have zero chance at the NFL and, as has been pointed out, the vast majority of the ones that do will be broke a few years after they had their chance.  

 

Just because some fans are upset because a player can't get a minimum 2.5 at a JUCO is a ridiculous reason to change the rules.  

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So better talent and an easier schedule this year (which we generally knew but the numbers back it up):

 

 

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33 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I have absolutely no desire to diminish the "student" part of "student athlete" more than what it already has been.  These kids are given a chance to actually have something they can make a living at in the future.  The vast majority of them will have zero chance at the NFL and, as has been pointed out, the vast majority of them will be broke a few years after they had their chance.  

 

Just because some fans are upset because a player can't get a minimum 2.5 at a JUCO is a ridiculous reason to change the rules.  

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

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11 minutes ago, dvdcrr said:

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

OH...so now they don't even need to be a student.

 

Hey....we've just done what the AAF and XFL failed to do....create a new pro football league.

 


No thanks.

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43 minutes ago, dvdcrr said:

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

You know what would make even more sense, for athletes and students to show enough discipline in order to meet a pretty basic requirement that most student achieve routinely.

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1 hour ago, dvdcrr said:

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

 

You just can't pay them, you just can't.  It makes recruiting an absolute mess, you can't pay the Punter at Tulsa the same you pay the QB at USC.  I'd be fine paying them for their likeness in a video game, put money in an account they can access AFTER their collegiate eligibility ends.  Maybe even a bowl payout would be okay.  But pay for play should not happen.

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1 hour ago, dvdcrr said:

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

 

No one is forced to go to college and do their schoolwork. He can drop out and try to find whatever job he is qualified for if he wants. But if he wants to play division 1 college football, he has to meet the minimum qualifications for a division 1 college. Not too hard.

 

This kid is being given amazing opportunities but is struggling to hold up his end of the deal. Is he being treated unfairly somehow?

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1 hour ago, dvdcrr said:

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

The NCAA can't just make an exception for football (or "blue chippers") any more than it can another university support. This would also likely have Title IX implications.

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44 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

 

The flip side- If we beat them at home and have to play them again in the championship, it could be a rough game.  I would take either option!

Definitely would be tough to beat them twice, but with their schedule they can't really afford to lose to us early if they want to make if to Indy. It would be interesting to see if they could keep Michigan out again. 

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Ohio State isn't winning the East this year.

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What a descriptive thread topic this is. You might as well close down all other threads for the year if you are going to put everything for 2019 here.

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3 hours ago, Enhance said:

The NCAA can't just make an exception for football (or "blue chippers") any more than it can another university support. This would also likely have Title IX implications.

The real reason NFL players are broke Fox news.com  https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/nfl-players-bankrupt-personal-finance

 

Players are paid in lump sums, and if NCAA cared then the 2.5 GPA would have to be in finance.

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53 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

What a descriptive thread topic this is. You might as well close down all other threads for the year if you are going to put everything for 2019 here.

If this is about your thread getting locked, somebody beat you to the punch and posted the article here first. There is no reason to have the same conversation in two places, particularly when people had started responding to it here. It's not that big of a deal.

 

28 minutes ago, dvdcrr said:

The real reason NFL players are broke Fox news.com  https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/nfl-players-bankrupt-personal-finance

 

Players are paid in lump sums, and if NCAA cared then the 2.5 GPA would have to be in finance.

This response doesn't address my post or I'm not seeing your point. College players not getting paid enough, or having to meet a 2.5 GPA requirement, is a different discussion than whether or not the NFL's salary format is conducive to financial success.

 

And it's all wholly irrelevant to the fact that ANY college athlete can, should and will be held to an educational standard, regardless of what money they are or aren't making. It's not even a realistic discussion to have.

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1 hour ago, cheekygeek said:

What a descriptive thread topic this is. You might as well close down all other threads for the year if you are going to put everything for 2019 here.

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6 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I have absolutely no desire to diminish the "student" part of "student athlete" more than what it already has been.  These kids are given a chance to actually have something they can make a living at in the future.  The vast majority of them will have zero chance at the NFL and, as has been pointed out, the vast majority of the ones that do will be broke a few years after they had their chance.  

 

Just because some fans are upset because a player can't get a minimum 2.5 at a JUCO is a ridiculous reason to change the rules.  

And they pick their courses. I don't imagine the low GPA is due to a course load of differential equations, quantum mechanics and thermodynamics.

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1 hour ago, Enhance said:

If this is about your thread getting locked, somebody beat you to the punch and posted the article here first. There is no reason to have the same conversation in two places, particularly when people had started responding to it here. It's not that big of a deal.

 

This response doesn't address my post or I'm not seeing your point. College players not getting paid enough, or having to meet a 2.5 GPA requirement, is a different discussion than whether or not the NFL's salary format is conducive to financial success.

 

And it's all wholly irrelevant to the fact that ANY college athlete can, should and will be held to an educational standard, regardless of what money they are or aren't making. It's not even a realistic discussion to have.

There is a serious and national debate about the compensation of blue chip college athletes.  And it is one that will eventually end up, I believe, in drastic changes to the current system, and rightfully so.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, dvdcrr said:

There is a serious and national debate about the compensation of blue chip college athletes.  And it is one that will eventually end up, I believe, in drastic changes to the current system, and rightfully so.

 

 

 

Fine....but that has nothing to do with if a student athlete should be required to have a certain GPA.

 

You're trying to argue that the sky isn't blue because the grass is green.

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2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Fine....but that has nothing to do with if a student athlete should be required to have a certain GPA.

 The clearly stated original point is that we need to revisit the "student athlete" concept in this time where competitive DIV1 football is clearly a just farm system which depends upon blue chip athletes, where the NCAA and Universities are making absurd amounts of money.  

You're trying to argue that the sky isn't blue because the grass is green

Well then you are arguing that humpty can't be dumpty.

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4 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Fine....but that has nothing to do with if a student athlete should be required to have a certain GPA.

 The clearly stated original point is that we need to revisit the "student athlete" concept in this time where competitive DIV1 football is clearly a just farm system which depends upon blue chip athletes, where the NCAA and Universities are making absurd amounts of money.  

You're trying to argue that the sky isn't blue because the grass is green

Well then you are arguing that humpty can't be dumpty.

Well I for one think Frost and his men can pick up the pieces of our broken program and put them back together again.

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13 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Fine....but that has nothing to do with if a student athlete should be required to have a certain GPA.

 The clearly stated original point is that we need to revisit the "student athlete" concept in this time where competitive DIV1 football is clearly a just farm system which depends upon blue chip athletes, where the NCAA and Universities are making absurd amounts of money.  

You're trying to argue that the sky isn't blue because the grass is green

Well then you are arguing that humpty can't be dumpty.

 

You're arguing multiple points at once when only one was being discussed.  But okay, here we go:

 

-To your "original point" referenced above, you seem to think that we should just throw our hands up and admit that College Football is a feeder system for the NFL to hand pick only the best while the universities make insane money.  I mean, woah dude, way to let the cat out of the bag here!  Everyone know this is the dirty little fact about it.  But college players can't make money for playing, thems the rules and they aren't changing ESPECIALLY the way you are suggesting.  You seem to think we can pay the blue choppers that will end up in the NFL but not the walk on that likely goes back to work at Daddy's used car lot.  That's an insane concept and I can't believe you're even suggesting it if that is indeed what you're trying to suggest.

 

-I am against paying players anything in regards to playing.  Yes, the University should make it worth their while.  But I would rather see that come in the form of free education, free room and board, free meals etc.  Why? Because 18-20yr olds are irresponsible as hell.  Double that if they are a national recruiting darling from Cali with famous Dad's that don't want to put in the work.  Again, there is a a huge glaring problem paying the blue chip instead of the walk on, the walk on will work harder and may have a better career in college.  Meanwhile blue chip lazily goes through 2.5 years of sub par results and gets drafted in the 5th round already sitting on top of huge college money.  Terrible, just a terrible idea.

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13 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Well then you are arguing that humpty can't be dumpty.

No, we're just trying to understand your perspective. Your opinion started out narrow in scope and then warped into a conversation on NFL pay structure and the concept of paying student athletes in general. It was muddled and had some logical fallacies.

 

So, generally speaking, I don't necessarily think you're wrong that the concept of "student athlete" has become imprecise. However, I think your viewpoint here is myopic for a couple of reasons. First, universities (and the NCAA, by extension) are well within their rights to hold ANY enrollee to an academic standard. Student success has a direct impact on university funding and perception. It doesn't matter if you're on the baseball team or normal undergrad.

 

Second, state and federal laws put limits on what kind of exceptions or changes you could make to favor one type of athlete. Your focus is football, but there are a lot of other sports (male and female) that would have to be taken into consideration. But, ultimately, it doesn't really matter because universities are not going to eliminate academic standards for student athletes. It can't even be part of the conversation.

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If a kid wants to play football in college to get to the NFL, I see zero reason that they can't buckle down and maintain a specific GPA to do so.  I mean if their dream is to play in the NFL and make millions doing so, wouldn't you think that occasionally they could put down the beer bong and pick up a text book to get to that dream?

 

Yeah we have all read the horror stories of the SEC handlers who tell kids when to eat because they are too stupid to tie their own shoes.  In these instances, yeah I would be fine with them being immediately eligible to go the NFL route.  But here is the problem, what happens when the game is done with them?  With no education and no job, what are they going to do?  Their body is likely shot, their brain was already shot, now what?

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10 minutes ago, Redux said:

-I am against paying players anything in regards to playing.  Yes, the University should make it worth their while.  But I would rather see that come in the form of free education, free room and board, free meals etc.  Why? Because 18-20yr olds are irresponsible as hell.

Just to add onto this, some people also don't realize a lot of the other benefits student athletes get including thousands of dollars in clothes/swag/school supplies, laundry services, and invaluable networking through the university (they'll practically get a job for you once you leave the university). And that doesn't even include all of the other stuff they probably receive that they shouldn't.

 

I mean, I definitely get it - some college athletes are taken advantage of. In a perfect world, you'd want to be able to compensate them for the value they provide. But, college sports have blossomed into this monstrous money making machine and it butts heads with the 'university' side of it all as well as federal laws like Title IX. I personally don't believe there's an answer to it unless a football developmental league is created that's separate from the universities. But, those continue to try and fail, and there's SO much money tied up in division one college football that it's not likely to change any time soon.

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I prefer colleges making a bunch of $ over some random minor unaffiliated pro league.

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21 hours ago, cheekygeek said:

What a descriptive thread topic this is. You might as well close down all other threads for the year if you are going to put everything for 2019 here.

 

It would theoretically reduce the number of Bo Pelini references, though.

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7 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

It would theoretically reduce the number of Bo Pelini references, though.

 

You just increased the Bo references by one, DAMMIT now I'm in for a 2nd.

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yoshi just came back and finished his degree. Said it “broke the cycle” in his family. 

 

I think being a student is important, moreso than a little bit of money. 

 

I HOPE to heaven Mills gets his GPA, we need him. NFL caliber? Probly not. So having a good gpa and going to school is important. 

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On 5/8/2019 at 8:02 PM, BigRedBuster said:

Good for him!!!!

 

i was the same way. 

 

 

So was I! Almost got kicked out of DONU for grades the first go round :lol:

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On ‎5‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 9:37 AM, dvdcrr said:

Making Dedrick Mills get a 2.5 GPA in order to participate in the nation's only real NFL Farm system makes as much sense as you having to demonstrate how to tie a bowline knot on your sneakers to go to work at the Walmart Distribution center.  Or me having to show that I can wipe my arse with a hula hoop before I can get my drivers license.  It makes no sense.  

What would make sense is to cut the student athlete crap for the real blue chippers and start paying them what they're due, if you care about them so much.  What's worth more:  interest on $200,000 for life or a 2.5 years of course work in PE with a 2.5 GPA.

 

I could not disagree with you more. 

 

Why do they make athletes have a minimum GPA? It shows their character and work ethic. I don't even need to argue any more than that. You fail to see the overall picture. 

 

What is better at showing your character and work ethic..wiping your a$$ with a hula hoop before you get your drivers license or maintaining a 2.5 GPA in college? 

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14 hours ago, Huskr25 said:

 

I could not disagree with you more. 

 

Why do they make athletes have a minimum GPA? It shows their character and work ethic. I don't even need to argue any more than that. You fail to see the overall picture. 

 

What is better at showing your character and work ethic..wiping your a$$ with a hula hoop before you get your drivers license or maintaining a 2.5 GPA in college? 

Proly the hula hoop... when you try to master wiping with it, the crap never ends.

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7 hours ago, Mavric said:

Only going to get better....

 

 

Much better. The RB rotation was in tumult at the beginning of the season last year. No Akron which definitely would have bolstered our numbers. No AMart in the Troy game was really tough for us and then we were just disjointed vs Michigan. Very excited about the ground game in 2019.

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22 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

Much better. The RB rotation was in tumult at the beginning of the season last year. No Akron which definitely would have bolstered our numbers. No AMart in the Troy game was really tough for us and then we were just disjointed vs Michigan. Very excited about the ground game in 2019.

 

It's very likely to be in tumult at the start of this year too, but the overall talent will be better. 

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On 5/10/2019 at 11:51 PM, dvdcrr said:

Proly the hula hoop... when you try to master wiping with it, the crap never ends.

 

Touche, touche

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IMO the new uniform badge celebrating 150 years makes it all seem... too busy.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Enhance said:

IMO the new uniform badge celebrating 150 years makes it all seem... too busy.

 

 

 

Agree 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Enhance said:

IMO the new uniform badge celebrating 150 years makes it all seem... too busy.

 

 

 

That patch is also just ugly.

 

tbh I don't really even care about the winning tradition patch either. It's quite big and.... what's the point of it exactly? It's just always kinda been there but afaik nobody really knows where it came from or why it's important or anything. Our uniforms would look so much cleaner with JUST B1G and Adidas patches.

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