Archy1221 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Go back to March 2020, President Archy. What would you have down without your hindsight? Which isn't very accurate either. I wouldn’t have predicted 2.2 million deaths like the experts did that started this whole kerfuffle. 1 1 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, Scarlet said: Well this wasn't hard. It took all of one minute to find. . https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-aerosol-droplets-airborne-evolution/amp Do whatever you want with the information. I posted it in case anyone cared to reduce their exposure. Thank you for sharing it. Your link is from 2 months ago, while the earlier post from Eric was from today. I found links from an Australian scientist repeating his assertions, in regards to schools. That's it. Of course Covid is an aerosol, we've known that since the beginning. My response was to the lingering on surfaces and in the air for long periods...which was shot down by the CDC in about April of last year. No one I know is still gloving and masking up to wipe down groceries. 1 1 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, Scarlet said: Understand...your response to this is a perfect example of people struggling to come to terms with the nebulous nature of our evolving knowledge of the mechanisms of a novel virus and why like-minded people throw up their hands, say "f#&% it" and die...right? Again, my point was stuff like that, directly opposite of what we've been told for over a year now, is why lots of folks treat any new dire warnings with skepticism... If you look at it with your political glasses off, it seems odd, no? 1 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Thank you for sharing it. Your link is from 2 months ago, while the earlier post from Eric was from today. I found links from an Australian scientist repeating his assertions, in regards to schools. That's it. Of course Covid is an aerosol, we've known that since the beginning. My response was to the lingering on surfaces and in the air for long periods...which was shot down by the CDC in about April of last year. No one I know is still gloving and masking up to wipe down groceries. I don't see anywhere where he is talking about disinfecting surfaces. 1 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Again, my point was stuff like that, directly opposite of what we've been told for over a year now, is why lots of folks treat any new dire warnings with skepticism... If you look at it with your political glasses off, it seems odd, no? That's going to happen with any unknown isn't it? You go with what your knowledge is at the time and as new information arises or the virus itself evolves you roll with it. 2 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scarlet said: I don't see anywhere where he is talking about disinfecting surfaces. Perhaps Eric didn't and it was in the replies. I might have conflated the two. Will go back and read. Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scarlet said: That's going to happen with any unknown isn't it? You go with what your knowledge is at the time and as new information arises or the virus itself evolves you roll with it. Yes, I get that, but when it flies in the face of what has been disseminated it is understandable there will be resistance or disbelief. Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Scarlet said: I don't see anywhere where he is talking about disinfecting surfaces. You are correct, he did not. He related his interpretation of aerosols remaining present for hours in the air, not on surfaces. Link to comment
Scarlet Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Yes, I get that, but when it flies in the face of what has been disseminated it is understandable there will be resistance or disbelief. That's not the problem of the science as it evolves. That's a problem with people wanting cut and dry answers in a world that still doesn't always provide them. Same goes for those poking holes in a model that was run in the early days of this pandemic based on what could happen, worse case scenario, if this virus was unmitigated. It wasn't left unmitigated so of course it wouldn't be pin prick accurate. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00029-X/fulltext 2 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Scarlet said: That's not the problem of the science as it evolves. That's a problem with people wanting cut and dry answers in a world that still doesn't always provide them. Same goes for those poking holes in a model that was run in the early days of this pandemic based on what could happen, worse case scenario, if this virus was unmitigated. It wasn't left unmitigated so of course it wouldn't be pin prick accurate. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00029-X/fulltext I understand your position. Do you at least acknowledge what I have said regarding hesitant folks? Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 How do we explain this? To me, it countermands the last 8 months of "vaccinate or else". Does it work or not? 1 Link to comment
funhusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 7 hours ago, DevoHusker said: How do we explain this? To me, it countermands the last 8 months of "vaccinate or else". Does it work or not? The pandemic has created a lot of germaphobes. There’s going to be nervous people for a long time. 2 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, funhusker said: The pandemic has created a lot of germaphobes. There’s going to be nervous people for a long time. There aren't many (any?) around here. I guess I should not care as long as they don't try to make their standard everyone's standard. To me, it seems odd to go through life that scared. Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Scarlet said: Same goes for those poking holes in a model that was run in the early days of this pandemic based on what could happen, worse case scenario, if this virus was unmitigated. Are you talking about the model that the authors said would actually never happen even if the government did nothing in terms of lockdowns? That one? 1 Link to comment
Jason Sitoke Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Scarlet said: That's not the problem of the science as it evolves. That's a problem with people wanting cut and dry answers in a world that still doesn't always provide them. Same goes for those poking holes in a model that was run in the early days of this pandemic based on what could happen, worse case scenario, if this virus was unmitigated. It wasn't left unmitigated so of course it wouldn't be pin prick accurate. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00029-X/fulltext I agree that a lot of folks are just looking for anything to grasp at to say ‘ah ha! Experts suck!’. But I also think hand waving every misstep as a consequence of ‘evolving science’ is a bit white washy. Sometimes people just get it wrong because people make mistakes or miss major considerations when trying to model a problem. 1 Link to comment
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