BigRedBuster Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Did I say that? So, how did they mess up? Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: So, how did they mess up? I posted that on the last page I believe along with a tweet thread from Abbott explaining the entire situation and giving context 3 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: I posted that on the last page I believe along with a tweet thread from Abbott explaining the entire situation and giving context Abbott, who was caught lying to the FDA by a whistleblower? That Abbott? Maybe let's not use the liars who were caught lying as a source. Maybe. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, knapplc said: Abbott, who was caught lying to the FDA by a whistleblower? That Abbott? Maybe let's not use the liars who were caught lying as a source. Maybe. Yes, the Abbott that had the FDA/CDC corroborate the investigation into the recall yet they still drug their feet at allowing a reopening of the plant. Kind of amazing that now all of a sudden when a shortage arrives and mothers are pissed, the FDA says “ok go ahead and open”. As if Magically the plant is now ready once enough people complained 1 1 1 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Yes, the Abbott that had the FDA/CDC corroborate the investigation into the recall yet they still drug their feet at allowing a reopening of the plant. Kind of amazing that now all of a sudden when a shortage arrives and mothers are pissed, the FDA says “ok go ahead and open”. As if Magically the plant is now ready once enough people complained Or, it's a few months of cleaning after a completely unnecessary shutdown caused by a lying company who is now trying to save face with some PR, all of which is being bought by people predisposed to blame Biden for everything. It's not Biden's fault, it's not the CDC's or FDA's fault. It's Abbott's fault. Criminals come up with all kinds of excuses for their crimes. Stop giving criminals a pass because it's politically expedient and this conversation never happens. 3 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Moiraine said: It's crazy people have immigration so high when we have a labor shortage. I agree Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, knapplc said: You can't read the CDC link? What list are you on? https://www.cdc.gov/cronobacter/outbreaks/infant-formula.html It was a NYTimes piece ?? Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Just now, DevoHusker said: It was a NYTimes piece ?? Read both links. Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, knapplc said: Or, it's a few months of cleaning after a completely unnecessary shutdown caused by a lying company who is now trying to save face with some PR, all of which is being bought by people predisposed to blame Biden for everything. It's not Biden's fault, it's not the CDC's or FDA's fault. It's Abbott's fault. Criminals come up with all kinds of excuses for their crimes. Stop giving criminals a pass because it's politically expedient and this conversation never happens. LOL. The FDA/CDC agreed during the course of the investigation that the formula was most likely not the source of the unfortunate deaths and illness. If you other information refuting the CDC/FDA then please post. 4 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, knapplc said: Read both links. Ah. You linked your previous post today, and I clicked on the headline, which was NYT. Thanks. Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Archy1221 said: The FDA/CDC agreed during the course of the investigation that the formula was most likely not the source of the unfortunate deaths and illness. If you other information refuting the CDC/FDA then please post. I've already posted it. Twice, in fact. It doesn't matter if that was the source THAT time, the bacteria was on the line when the CDC shut the Sturgis plant down THIS TIME. Unless the argument is that we should let the plant run until the bacteria that was found during the February inspection actually kills a baby which is... pretty much murder. Which, I'm told, is a cardinal sin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, knapplc said: the bacteria was on the line when the CDC shut the Sturgis plant down THIS TIME. No it wasn’t according to the recent investigation. 3 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: No it wasn’t according to the recent investigation. This is a lie. The F.D.A. returned to the plant on Jan. 31 and discovered persistent problems, including the presence of cronobacter bacteria near production lines, according to agency records. 2 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, knapplc said: This is a lie. The F.D.A. returned to the plant on Jan. 31 and discovered persistent problems, including the presence of cronobacter bacteria near production lines, according to agency records. Look at your bolded and then compare the language to what you said earlier as posted and highlighted below then tell me again who’s lying….. 3 hours ago, knapplc said: the bacteria was on the line when the CDC shut the Sturgis plant down THIS TIME. 2 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Look at your bolded and then compare the language to what you said earlier as posted and highlighted below then tell me again who’s lying….. LOL. I said "on" and the FDA said "near." The plant was shut down - correctly - due to cronobacter bacteria contamination. On, near, adjacent to, by... whatever. That bacteria kills babies. It was in the plant. End of story. 3 Link to comment
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