Triaging the QB room

[Cy the Cyclone]

Spencer Petras is in the portal!  Your prayers are answered!

[lo country]

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Seriously. How does this work? How do you address the three quarterbacks about the last two games of the season? 

 

Do they know they are historically awful?  You don't want to be cruel to young players who are playing the last organized football of their lives, but there's a job to do for the next two weeks and you have to give somebody reps and confidence. But they're all terrible choices. No one has grabbed the opportunity to clear a very low bar. 

 

And how do the QBs and the coaches address the rest of the team? It's a team sport, it's not all on one player, but sometimes it kinda is. Defense has played well enough to win games almost by themselves, and they have to stand on the sideline and watch the offense let them down. There's no other word for it. They don't want to be cruel to their likable teammates either, but you know what's going through their minds. Why did I get so tired and sore to watch our offense hand a win to a crappy team? 

 

The coaches have to wonder how it got this bad --- not just the huge whiff on the portal transfer for this turnaround year, but the inability to develop mere competence out of any quarterback. I don't think we get to hear any of these speeches, but I'm really curious what you say to the team at this point, and what Rhule says to Satterfield privately. 

Satt isn't a qb coach.  Frost didn't leave anything remotely performing like a QB.  And there is no way in hell Rhule privately thinks that pass play was the right call.  A true fresh receiver, one probably not 100% and 5'9 and the other a former walk on with a lot of drops....Why was Fidone not in that route.  He's the tallest, the biggest, could post out a DB and wouldn't have been jammed/stuffed on the line like Coleman nor allowed a smaller DB make him run his flat like Kemp.  Stupid all the way around.  And Rattlers 2023 numbers through 10 games are improved from year 2 under SATT at USC.  New coach, scheme etc....And why can't our DB's jam receivers on the LOS like Maryland did Coleman?

[Red Five]

And many think we are passing too much (rightly or wrongly)

 

 

[ColoradoHusk]

9 minutes ago, lo country said:

..And why can't our DB's jam receivers on the LOS like Maryland did Coleman?

It’s a lot easier to jam WR’s at the LOS when there is limited space to get burned over the top. If you haven’t noticed by White’s philosophy, it’s to play relatively safe, umbrella coverage with more field to cover, and then get more aggressive with blitzes and tighter coverage as the opponent gets closer to scoring. That may be frustrating for some, but it does that to limit big plays.  That D was successful for the most part against Maryland. Unfortunately Maryland hit 2 big chunk pass plays in a row for one TD. 

[SouthLincoln Husker]

7 lineman & run the wildcat all game?

[Born N Bled Red]

1 hour ago, lo country said:

Satt isn't a qb coach.  Frost didn't leave anything remotely performing like a QB.  And there is no way in hell Rhule privately thinks that pass play was the right call.  A true fresh receiver, one probably not 100% and 5'9 and the other a former walk on with a lot of drops....Why was Fidone not in that route.  He's the tallest, the biggest, could post out a DB and wouldn't have been jammed/stuffed on the line like Coleman nor allowed a smaller DB make him run his flat like Kemp.  Stupid all the way around.  And Rattlers 2023 numbers through 10 games are improved from year 2 under SATT at USC.  New coach, scheme etc....And why can't our DB's jam receivers on the LOS like Maryland did Coleman?

 

Frost did a lot wrong, but the state of the QB room is not on him and to suggest so is a deceitful rewriting of History. Start of 2022 the QB room featured, Casey Thompson (FAU), Logan Smothers (Jacksonville State), Chubby Purdy, Heinrich Haarberg, Richard Torres (Incarnate Word), Mikey Pauley (Kansas), Jarrett Synek (South Dakota). 

 

The QB catastrophe is not on Frost. 

 

[Born N Bled Red]

39 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

7 lineman & run the wildcat all game?

 

FLYING "V" all day! 

[lo country]

17 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Frost did a lot wrong, but the state of the QB room is not on him and to suggest so is a deceitful rewriting of History. Start of 2022 the QB room featured, Casey Thompson (FAU), Logan Smothers (Jacksonville State), Chubby Purdy, Heinrich Haarberg, Richard Torres (Incarnate Word), Mikey Pauley (Kansas), Jarrett Synek (South Dakota). 

 

The QB catastrophe is not on Frost. 

 

Seriously Scott?  You left the cupboard stocked?  Oddly enough none of them are still here but HH that would have never played a down for you and Purdy. Who probably would not have either. And the two who remained were not going to play under Rhule until TO Sims got injured. Same with Purdy until HH got injured. And those who left went to smaller schools in FCS or G5.  Talk about rewriting history. 

[Born N Bled Red]

5 minutes ago, lo country said:

Seriously Scott?  You left the cupboard stocked?  Oddly enough none of them are still here but HH that would have never played a down for you and Purdy. Who probably would not have either. And the two who remained were not going to play under Rhule until TO Sims got injured. Same with Purdy until HH got injured. And those who left went to smaller schools in FCS or G5.  Talk about rewriting history. 

 

A lot of people were high on Torres, and looks like he's done pretty darn well. These three QBs have 17 tds and 9 ints. Between them. How's ours look again? Right. 

 

The ones that stayed were the ones without another option. 

 

[olddominionhusker]

At the end of the day this comes down to a gamble on being able to leverage the athletic talent of Sims and improve upon his turnover issues. That gamble has failed spectacularly and completely and there is no back up plan. 

Should be Purdy as QB1 from here on out and let’s the chips fall as they may. Sims should be out and HH either out or repurposed to TE. Neither of them should ever take a snap for this team again. Hope for the best in the portal. 
 

On to Wisconsin who isn’t in much better shape and definitely beatable if we can devise a low risk game plan on offense for Chubba. 
 

GBR

[ColoradoHusk]

Didn’t Richard Torres leave prior to the 2022 season?  If so, how is that on Rhule?

 

Also, Smothers was likely to transfer no matter what, so he could play someplace. He wasn’t exactly happy being 3rd string under Frost and Whipple.

 

Yes, Sims was a terrible decision. No doubt about that. Thompson was also coming off shoulder surgery and he decided to transfer because he wanted to be assured of the starting job. Thompson has also been injury prone throughout his entire career, and would have been as much of a gamble as other QB’s. 

[Born N Bled Red]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Didn’t Richard Torres leave prior to the 2022 season?  If so, how is that on Rhule?

 

Also, Smothers was likely to transfer no matter what, so he could play someplace. He wasn’t exactly happy being 3rd string under Frost and Whipple.

 

Yes, Sims was a terrible decision. No doubt about that. Thompson was also coming off shoulder surgery and he decided to transfer because he wanted to be assured of the starting job. Thompson has also been injury prone throughout his entire career, and would have been as much of a gamble as other QB’s. 

 

 

[ColoradoHusk]

3 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

 

Thanks for clarifying. I was wrong. If he does stick around he’s still probably the 4th string QB. Either way, he’s a FCS-level QB.  Not sure how that makes you think he was a big loss. 

[Born N Bled Red]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Thanks for clarifying. I was wrong. If he does stick around he’s still probably the 4th string QB. Either way, he’s a FCS-level QB.  Not sure how that makes you think he was a big loss. 

 

1. He's a freshman, 2. He's still probably better than anyone on our roster. Our QBs aren't even FCS level. 

 

3. I'm not saying he was a huge loss. All I'm saying is that the QB cupboard being bare isn't on Frost. The mistake was bringing in Sims that's on Satterfield, who hand picked him and Rhule for trusting in that pick. Outside that it's a symptom of a coaching change. But to put the thinness of the position at Frost's feet is not accurate. 

[Red Five]

44 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

A lot of people were high on Torres, and looks like he's done pretty darn well. These three QBs have 17 tds and 9 ints. Between them. How's ours look again? Right. 

 

The ones that stayed were the ones without another option. 

 

Both Smothers and Thompson have worse QBRs than Haarberg (39.4).