It'sNotAFakeID Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 . Link because it's NSFW. We solve this problem by using logic & reason. Logic tells us there's no evidence that vaccinations cause autism, or any other, similar disease. Logic tells us that kids used to die in FAR greater numbers prior to the era of modern vaccination. Yet people aren't doing it? Why? Because people do dumb things all the time, like not vaccinating your child on the grounds of bunk and junk science. 3 Link to comment
funhusker Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I find the idea of pumping babies, who have just been born, full of drugs unsettling. At the end of the day, they are drugs, whether you want to admit it or not. A baby's immune system is so weak...I guess I just have a problem flooding it with drugs. And that is EXACTLY the reason all children who don't have a medical condition that prevents vaccination should be vaccinated. Children get vaccines at 1 year to 18 months old and a booster before kindergarten. These keep the diseases from spreading to the "weak" babies and other people with weak immune system who would love the vaccines if they could receive them. I would be furious to find out some 5 year old with irresponsible parents gave my infant child the measles at daycare. There are people in Omaha who are quarantined with their infants for 30 days because of this stupidity. Fortunately we were able to get our five year olds in for the MMR booster in time when we were notified of the potential exposure, because that's what reasonable people do. I say stupidity because that's what it is... Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Side note: did anyone actually need this thread to tell them Rand Paul was a big ol' bag of douche? Link to comment
ColoNoCoHusker Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 There are few words one can use with "Rand Paul" in sentence and have it remain truthful. Most will get banned if they get past the "censor"... Or, clickbait... Take your pick. Link to comment
FrankWheeler Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Part of the problem is also the lack of information about what is actually causing autism. There have been a number of studies put out about the link between vitamin D deficiencies and autism but for some reason they aren't making their way into the general public. Autism Spectrum Disorder is such a broad category of neurodevelopmental disorders finding a cause or causes is difficult. You can correlate it to anything and everything if you have a large enough data set. ASD has become a catch-all for developmental disorders not fitting another category. Clinically, the industry needs to continue to better define autism and the other Neurodevelopmental conditions. The Vitamin D "possible link" being researched is conjecture. It is based on possible higher incidence in areas with lower level of sunshine (cloudy days) or times of year (spring/fall) when sunshine is less. In most of these areas, humidity increases during those times as well. Molds/spores/fungus propagate during these conditions. Could it be a mold or fungus causing it? Who knows but the research just started and is a hypothesis the media is selling irresponsibly. The strongest support for the Vitamin D link was a study where a few dozen children diagnosed autistic had their vitamin D levels compared to a smaller number of children diagnosed NOT autistic. Something like 1/3 (or slightly more) of the autistic children had a vitamin D deficiency where none of the non-autistic children tested were vitamin D deficient. Is it possible the children diagnosed autistic spent less time in the sun? Is it a stretch for an autistic child to NOT be allowed outside by him/herself and the caregivers keep the child indoors more than is healthy for the child? I don't know but these Dr's know that Sun exposure affects vitamin D levels and did not quantify/compare time spent outside between the groups.... We agree on the need for better definitions. In regards to the vitamin D link, the research is going beyond 'possible link' now. Here is a link to an article that gets into the 'weeds' on the issue. Link to comment
ColoNoCoHusker Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Part of the problem is also the lack of information about what is actually causing autism. There have been a number of studies put out about the link between vitamin D deficiencies and autism but for some reason they aren't making their way into the general public. Autism Spectrum Disorder is such a broad category of neurodevelopmental disorders finding a cause or causes is difficult. You can correlate it to anything and everything if you have a large enough data set. ASD has become a catch-all for developmental disorders not fitting another category. Clinically, the industry needs to continue to better define autism and the other Neurodevelopmental conditions. The Vitamin D "possible link" being researched is conjecture. It is based on possible higher incidence in areas with lower level of sunshine (cloudy days) or times of year (spring/fall) when sunshine is less. In most of these areas, humidity increases during those times as well. Molds/spores/fungus propagate during these conditions. Could it be a mold or fungus causing it? Who knows but the research just started and is a hypothesis the media is selling irresponsibly. The strongest support for the Vitamin D link was a study where a few dozen children diagnosed autistic had their vitamin D levels compared to a smaller number of children diagnosed NOT autistic. Something like 1/3 (or slightly more) of the autistic children had a vitamin D deficiency where none of the non-autistic children tested were vitamin D deficient. Is it possible the children diagnosed autistic spent less time in the sun? Is it a stretch for an autistic child to NOT be allowed outside by him/herself and the caregivers keep the child indoors more than is healthy for the child? I don't know but these Dr's know that Sun exposure affects vitamin D levels and did not quantify/compare time spent outside between the groups.... We agree on the need for better definitions. In regards to the vitamin D link, the research is going beyond 'possible link' now. Here is a link to an article that gets into the 'weeds' on the issue. EDITED: The link is "suggested" to ASD cause. I've taken this way off topic so should probably start a new thread to discuss further... Link to comment
DaveH Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Interesting thread on Reddit about this topic... http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2urird/raskscience_vaccines_megathread/ Link to comment
VectorVictor Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Part of this has been fostered by the right's general distrust of science. The "They have a financial interest in it!" nonsense that we see in global warming is the same BS you see from some anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists. Also, no more with the phrase "anti-vaxxer" They are quite clearly "pro-disease". Let's be honest here--there are plenty extremists on the left that are anti-vaxxer/pro-disease, for similar reasons of distrust of pharmaceutical companies and the government. In fact, the anti-vaxxer/pro-disease movement is one of the few topics that can bring people from the right and left together. So...um...progress? Link to comment
strigori Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Part of this has been fostered by the right's general distrust of science. The "They have a financial interest in it!" nonsense that we see in global warming is the same BS you see from some anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists. Also, no more with the phrase "anti-vaxxer" They are quite clearly "pro-disease". Let's be honest here--there are plenty extremists on the left that are anti-vaxxer/pro-disease, for similar reasons of distrust of pharmaceutical companies and the government. In fact, the anti-vaxxer/pro-disease movement is one of the few topics that can bring people from the right and left together. So...um...progress? There is no progress. Things are more of a circle really. When you go too far right and too far left, you end up in the same spot, seeing conspiracies from all sides, the only difference is the amount of guns. 1 Link to comment
ColoNoCoHusker Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 More on the Measles outbreak from Disneyland. Of Note: Measles was declared eliminated in the United States in 2000 after decades of intensive childhood vaccine efforts. But in 2014, the country had its highest number of cases in two decades. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/24/us-usa-measles-idUSKBN0LS02920150224 I posted here since it's inline with the discussion and probably not worth creating a dedicated vaxxer thread... Link to comment
The Dude Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I thought this was only an "issue" in the hippie community. Link to comment
VectorVictor Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I thought this was only an "issue" in the hippie community. No, it's an issue for the bible-thumping, pray-the-gay-and-disease away community too. Link to comment
funhusker Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I thought this was only an "issue" in the hippie community. No, it's an issue for the bible-thumping, pray-the-gay-and-disease away community too. No, it is an issue for the "gubment ain't gon tell me what a do" community. Which happens to include a lot of Bible thumping, "pray-the-gay-away" community. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Rand is said to be announcing on Tuesday. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rand-pauls-delicate-balancing-act/2015/04/05/6e38af6c-d946-11e4-8103-fa84725dbf9d_story.html So we'll have 2 of the most conservative in the race - Cruz and R Paul. I suspect within the month we'll see the full menu. Link to comment
knapplc Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 If he gets this angry/flustered in a simple interview with basic questions, how's he going to do in a debate? 1 Link to comment
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