Muslim Extremists

[BigRedBuster]

 

The first thing an organization will do when there is any affiliation with something negative is issue a statement and distance themselves. Obviously, a religion that has a Billion vs a clown not serving a cop at Arby's are vastly different in scope. Given the severity of issues associated with Muslims, is it really that out of line for a large scale denouncement with some action?

Does the religion have a entity or person, such as a hierarchy or Pope, that would do as you suggest? I don't know much about the religion, but it doesn't seem as business-like as other religions. There have been denouncements by a large number of Muslims, maybe not a centralized organization as you suggest.

 

The article in the OP touches on this. It is not a centralized religion. So, it is easy for groups like this to bastardize the religion to fit their pathetic agenda.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

What an idiot, and yet he was elected.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmVPIssjszI

[Creighton Duke]

Somewhat related.

 

I can't believe people are supporting this man.

 

 

 

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is voicing support for creating a mandatory database to track Muslims in the United States following the Paris attacks by Islamic State militants.

 

LINK

[QMany]

 

 

The first thing an organization will do when there is any affiliation with something negative is issue a statement and distance themselves. Obviously, a religion that has a Billion vs a clown not serving a cop at Arby's are vastly different in scope. Given the severity of issues associated with Muslims, is it really that out of line for a large scale denouncement with some action?

Does the religion have a entity or person, such as a hierarchy or Pope, that would do as you suggest? I don't know much about the religion, but it doesn't seem as business-like as other religions. There have been denouncements by a large number of Muslims, maybe not a centralized organization as you suggest.

The article in the OP touches on this. It is not a centralized religion. So, it is easy for groups like this to bastardize the religion to fit their pathetic agenda.

Thank you! I went back and read the article in the OP; good stuff.

[cornographic]

Ok, well, on the topic of Islamic extremism, I have done a fair amount of armchair research into the subject, and the idea of global asymetric warfare--i.e., terrorism--was more or less dreamed up by a German guy named Max Von Oppenheimer back in WWI as a strategy to get various sects of the Muslim world--Muslim Brotherhood, mainly--to fight the Brit and French allies in their Mideast colonies. Well, Hitler continued the trend in WWII when he recruited the Muslim Brotherhood(founded in Egypt), forming the Islamic SS, adding Eastern Europe/Caucuses/Balkan States into the theater of conflict for the additional purpose of fighting the Commies(USSR).

 

The USA National Security State(CIA, Dpt of Defense, etc) piggy backed off of what the Germans had going, back in the 80s, in Afghanistan mainly, funding Bin Laden and his crew(Al Qaeda), also to fight the Commies. And then the Saudis have since gotten into the action of funding Al Qauda/ISIS to do their various proxy dirty work in the region. ISIS, apparently, has it's epicenter coming out of disgruntled former members of Sadam's Bathist party and Republican Guard...etc.

 

Today, it's a combo of all of the above, with clandestine high finance networks as complex as a switchboard, and it's not always easy to discern whether or not the terror groups are working for their masters or have gone rogue(i.e., blowback) at any one time, as the situation is always fluid.

 

So, in short, the creation and funding of Al Qaeda/ISIS have always come from the most elite factions of the various countries mentioned above, and the leadership of these groups also tend to come from members of elite, very wealthy and highly educated/doctrinal, Muslim Brotherhood/Wahabi/Sunni families, with the rank and file warriors, as is always the case, drawn from the poorer, disaffected portion of the society. As usual, poor folk fight rich men's wars.

 

Jihadism is the warrior version of Islam that is used as propaganda to give the rank and file a reason to fight and I think and the Muslim Brotherhood has always had the idea of establishing a Caliphate as central to their purpose. Basically, they've wanted the Infidels, the colonialists, out of their lives for a very long time, and who can blame them, considering the long term genocidal track record of Western intervention into the region. Oh yeah, and then there's the Israeli/Palestinian issue, how could I forget. The Israeli occupation has been pissing them off since they showed up in the neighborhood back in '48 and slaughtered 3/4 mil Palestinians right off the bat. Not a good way to endear yourselves to the region.

 

I dunno, the subject makes your head spin, but suffice it to sat, ISIS seems clearly to have a vendetta against the West at this point and guess what, this is not going away anytime soon--not this century anyway, so get used to it, I'm sorry to say. Not exactly sure who Al Qaeda's fighting for these days, but the US really pissed Bin Laden as the crew when they established military bases in Saudi Arabia--their holiest of Holy Lands--back in the 90s. Some say that's what flipped him.

 

Asymetric warfare, I wouldn't say you can't defeat it, it's just nearly impossible to defeat. No doubt, it will continue as long as the West--and Russia--keeps conducting imperialistic wars(oil wars) in the region. The more you bomb them, the more they recruit. Cutting off their funding is probably the best approach, but good luck with that, as most of their arms are coming from US manufacturers who basically don't give a flying F who's utilizing their products, as long as they're making a profit. War, it's an industry.

[BigRedBuster]

Ok, well, on the topic of Islamic extremism, I have done a fair amount of armchair research into the subject, and the idea of global asymetric warfare--i.e., terrorism--was more or less dreamed up by a German guy named Max Von Oppenheimer back in WWI as a strategy to get various sects of the Muslim world--Muslim Brotherhood, mainly--to fight the Brit and French allies in their Mideast colonies. Well, Hitler continued the trend in WWII when he recruited the Muslim Brotherhood(founded in Egypt), forming the Islamic SS, adding Eastern Europe/Caucuses/Balkan States into the theater of conflict for the additional purpose of fighting the Commies(USSR).

 

The USA National Security State(CIA, Dpt of Defense, etc) piggy backed off of what the Germans had going, back in the 80s, in Afghanistan mainly, funding Bin Laden and his crew(Al Qaeda), also to fight the Commies. And then the Saudis have since gotten into the action of funding Al Qauda/ISIS to do their various proxy dirty work in the region. ISIS, apparently, has it's epicenter coming out of disgruntled former members of Sadam's Bathist party and Republican Guard...etc.

 

Today, it's a combo of all of the above, with clandestine high finance networks as complex as a switchboard, and it's not always easy to discern whether or not the terror groups are working for their masters or have gone rogue(i.e., blowback) at any one time, as the situation is always fluid.

 

So, in short, the creation and funding of Al Qaeda/ISIS have always come from the most elite factions of the various countries mentioned above, and the leadership of these groups also tend to come from members of elite, very wealthy and highly educated/doctrinal, Muslim Brotherhood/Wahabi/Sunni families, with the rank and file warriors, as is always the case, drawn from the poorer, disaffected portion of the society. As usual, poor folk fight rich men's wars.

 

Jihadism is the warrior version of Islam that is used as propaganda to give the rank and file a reason to fight and I think and the Muslim Brotherhood has always had the idea of establishing a Caliphate as central to their purpose. Basically, they've wanted the Infidels, the colonialists, out of their lives for a very long time, and who can blame them, considering the long term genocidal track record of Western intervention into the region. Oh yeah, and then there's the Israeli/Palestinian issue, how could I forget. The Israeli occupation has been pissing them off since they showed up in the neighborhood back in '48 and slaughtered 3/4 mil Palestinians right off the bat. Not a good way to endear yourselves to the region.

 

I dunno, the subject makes your head spin, but suffice it to sat, ISIS seems clearly to have a vendetta against the West at this point and guess what, this is not going away anytime soon--not this century anyway, so get used to it, I'm sorry to say. Not exactly sure who Al Qaeda's fighting for these days, but the US really pissed Bin Laden as the crew when they established military bases in Saudi Arabia--their holiest of Holy Lands--back in the 90s. Some say that's what flipped him.

 

Asymetric warfare, I wouldn't say you can't defeat it, it's just nearly impossible to defeat. No doubt, it will continue as long as the West--and Russia--keeps conducting imperialistic wars(oil wars) in the region. The more you bomb them, the more they recruit. Cutting off their funding is probably the best approach, but good luck with that, as most of their arms are coming from US manufacturers who basically don't give a flying F who's utilizing their products, as long as they're making a profit. War, it's an industry.

I'm interested in a link that points to this.

[cornographic]

 

Ok, well, on the topic of Islamic extremism, I have done a fair amount of armchair research into the subject, and the idea of global asymetric warfare--i.e., terrorism--was more or less dreamed up by a German guy named Max Von Oppenheimer back in WWI as a strategy to get various sects of the Muslim world--Muslim Brotherhood, mainly--to fight the Brit and French allies in their Mideast colonies. Well, Hitler continued the trend in WWII when he recruited the Muslim Brotherhood(founded in Egypt), forming the Islamic SS, adding Eastern Europe/Caucuses/Balkan States into the theater of conflict for the additional purpose of fighting the Commies(USSR).

 

The USA National Security State(CIA, Dpt of Defense, etc) piggy backed off of what the Germans had going, back in the 80s, in Afghanistan mainly, funding Bin Laden and his crew(Al Qaeda), also to fight the Commies. And then the Saudis have since gotten into the action of funding Al Qauda/ISIS to do their various proxy dirty work in the region. ISIS, apparently, has it's epicenter coming out of disgruntled former members of Sadam's Bathist party and Republican Guard...etc.

 

Today, it's a combo of all of the above, with clandestine high finance networks as complex as a switchboard, and it's not always easy to discern whether or not the terror groups are working for their masters or have gone rogue(i.e., blowback) at any one time, as the situation is always fluid.

 

So, in short, the creation and funding of Al Qaeda/ISIS have always come from the most elite factions of the various countries mentioned above, and the leadership of these groups also tend to come from members of elite, very wealthy and highly educated/doctrinal, Muslim Brotherhood/Wahabi/Sunni families, with the rank and file warriors, as is always the case, drawn from the poorer, disaffected portion of the society. As usual, poor folk fight rich men's wars.

 

Jihadism is the warrior version of Islam that is used as propaganda to give the rank and file a reason to fight and I think and the Muslim Brotherhood has always had the idea of establishing a Caliphate as central to their purpose. Basically, they've wanted the Infidels, the colonialists, out of their lives for a very long time, and who can blame them, considering the long term genocidal track record of Western intervention into the region. Oh yeah, and then there's the Israeli/Palestinian issue, how could I forget. The Israeli occupation has been pissing them off since they showed up in the neighborhood back in '48 and slaughtered 3/4 mil Palestinians right off the bat. Not a good way to endear yourselves to the region.

 

I dunno, the subject makes your head spin, but suffice it to sat, ISIS seems clearly to have a vendetta against the West at this point and guess what, this is not going away anytime soon--not this century anyway, so get used to it, I'm sorry to say. Not exactly sure who Al Qaeda's fighting for these days, but the US really pissed Bin Laden as the crew when they established military bases in Saudi Arabia--their holiest of Holy Lands--back in the 90s. Some say that's what flipped him.

 

Asymetric warfare, I wouldn't say you can't defeat it, it's just nearly impossible to defeat. No doubt, it will continue as long as the West--and Russia--keeps conducting imperialistic wars(oil wars) in the region. The more you bomb them, the more they recruit. Cutting off their funding is probably the best approach, but good luck with that, as most of their arms are coming from US manufacturers who basically don't give a flying F who's utilizing their products, as long as they're making a profit. War, it's an industry.

I'm interested in a link that points to this.

 

I'll have to get back on this, but the Saudis/Qatar have been funding ISIS--look it up--and the Saudis get their arms mostly from the US... Will get back on this one.

[Creighton Duke]

^^^

this is correct. The US relationship with Saudi Arabia needs to end.

[Bigred_inSD]

^^^

this is correct. The US relationship with Saudi Arabia needs to end.

As soon as the oil dries up it will.

[Mavric]

[Landlord]

 

as most of their arms are coming from US manufacturers who basically don't give a flying F who's utilizing their products, as long as they're making a profit. War, it's an industry.

I'm interested in a link that points to this.

 

 

 

 

[Landlord]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[commando]

 

Ok, well, on the topic of Islamic extremism, I have done a fair amount of armchair research into the subject, and the idea of global asymetric warfare--i.e., terrorism--was more or less dreamed up by a German guy named Max Von Oppenheimer back in WWI as a strategy to get various sects of the Muslim world--Muslim Brotherhood, mainly--to fight the Brit and French allies in their Mideast colonies. Well, Hitler continued the trend in WWII when he recruited the Muslim Brotherhood(founded in Egypt), forming the Islamic SS, adding Eastern Europe/Caucuses/Balkan States into the theater of conflict for the additional purpose of fighting the Commies(USSR).

 

The USA National Security State(CIA, Dpt of Defense, etc) piggy backed off of what the Germans had going, back in the 80s, in Afghanistan mainly, funding Bin Laden and his crew(Al Qaeda), also to fight the Commies. And then the Saudis have since gotten into the action of funding Al Qauda/ISIS to do their various proxy dirty work in the region. ISIS, apparently, has it's epicenter coming out of disgruntled former members of Sadam's Bathist party and Republican Guard...etc.

 

Today, it's a combo of all of the above, with clandestine high finance networks as complex as a switchboard, and it's not always easy to discern whether or not the terror groups are working for their masters or have gone rogue(i.e., blowback) at any one time, as the situation is always fluid.

 

So, in short, the creation and funding of Al Qaeda/ISIS have always come from the most elite factions of the various countries mentioned above, and the leadership of these groups also tend to come from members of elite, very wealthy and highly educated/doctrinal, Muslim Brotherhood/Wahabi/Sunni families, with the rank and file warriors, as is always the case, drawn from the poorer, disaffected portion of the society. As usual, poor folk fight rich men's wars.

 

Jihadism is the warrior version of Islam that is used as propaganda to give the rank and file a reason to fight and I think and the Muslim Brotherhood has always had the idea of establishing a Caliphate as central to their purpose. Basically, they've wanted the Infidels, the colonialists, out of their lives for a very long time, and who can blame them, considering the long term genocidal track record of Western intervention into the region. Oh yeah, and then there's the Israeli/Palestinian issue, how could I forget. The Israeli occupation has been pissing them off since they showed up in the neighborhood back in '48 and slaughtered 3/4 mil Palestinians right off the bat. Not a good way to endear yourselves to the region.

 

I dunno, the subject makes your head spin, but suffice it to sat, ISIS seems clearly to have a vendetta against the West at this point and guess what, this is not going away anytime soon--not this century anyway, so get used to it, I'm sorry to say. Not exactly sure who Al Qaeda's fighting for these days, but the US really pissed Bin Laden as the crew when they established military bases in Saudi Arabia--their holiest of Holy Lands--back in the 90s. Some say that's what flipped him.

 

Asymetric warfare, I wouldn't say you can't defeat it, it's just nearly impossible to defeat. No doubt, it will continue as long as the West--and Russia--keeps conducting imperialistic wars(oil wars) in the region. The more you bomb them, the more they recruit. Cutting off their funding is probably the best approach, but good luck with that, as most of their arms are coming from US manufacturers who basically don't give a flying F who's utilizing their products, as long as they're making a profit. War, it's an industry.

I'm interested in a link that points to this.

 

c-mon man. the ak-47 is the prefered weapon of the jihadists. shouldn't that be all the evidence you need to prove that america is selling them arms......oh snap. nm

[Stumpy1]

Considering an AK-47 is Russian, I don't see your point.

 

Unless you forgot your

[I AM FOOT FOOT]

AK 47s were invented in Russia but made everywhere. even here in the U.S