BigRedBuster Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 We have seen the enemy and it is us. Pretty appropriate. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 I can't figure out how to copy and past it here but the graph that is interesting from this site is the line graph. It shows them being basically even after the Republican convention but then after the Democratic convention, it has been a fast and drastic spread between the two. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 NH is a state that tends to go Dem but is a potential swing ... not this year: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/08/04/clinton-trump-new-hampshire-poll Link to comment
Red Five Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 There have been a lot of good Clinton polls yesterday/today for both national and state. Fox has +9 nationally Rasmussen (R leaning) has +4 nationally PA +11 MI +9 NH +15 Link to comment
cm husker Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Could the biggest landslide in history (?) be won by one of the worst candidates in history? Talk about a bad mandate. Link to comment
zoogs Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 On 'rigged'ness (emphasis mine) Another possibility is that Trump is worried about losing the debates — and this gives him an out if he does. He can just say the debates were "rigged" from the start. As Scacco puts it, "Trump is trying to lower expectations of his debate performance." ... As my colleague Dara Lind has written, Donald Trump often resorts to the "rigged" excuse. After all, he likes to see himself as a winner. So if he’s not winning, it must be someone else’s fault. That explains why he’s been talking a lot lately about how this election is rigged: ... "He appears to be perfectly willing to erode decades of well-earned faith in public institutions for his own purposes," Wagner says. "His complaints about the debates are part and parcel of a strategy communicating that 'everything that I don’t like is evidence of a rigged, dishonest system,’ when, of course, it isn’t." 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 The only hope I see for Trump now are the debates or whatever wikileaks has left, if it's more damning for Clinton than what was released before. Or I suppose if the House somehow proves she lied to them. As for the debates, I really don't think it'll play well for Trump to bully and talk over her the way he did everyone else he debated against. Link to comment
QMany Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 I think more Wikileaks are coming, but it will take a bombshell to have enough effect. Link to comment
zoogs Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Well, maybe. The whole point is for the Trump campaign to be able to spin it as a bombshell. There's no nuance in a political hit job -- "Well, if you look at the facts and the context" is a tiny voice amid a sea of "SCANDAL!!!" roars. It's sort of that way with reporting in general, I suppose. For example, how many voters truly believed Obama was not Christian when they took to the polls? How many will this year still thinking that, and that he paid a $400M/$1.7B ransom to Iran for freeing prisoners? ... and similar buy-ins to other bluster like "Hillary is a traitor" and "Benghazi". It's not clear to me that the answer isn't "enough". Link to comment
TGHusker Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Could the biggest landslide in history (?) be won by one of the worst candidates in history? Talk about a bad mandate. That is the thing - the mandate. Hillary could end up wt a huge electoral college win and that will only reinforce that she is beyond reproach and can do whatever she wants. She will be the worse elected candidate in history only because her opponent was the worse possible nominee in history. If the repubs hold on to the House and the Senate that would moderate her mandate somewhat. If the repubs loose the Senate - all Hillary hell will break loose. Link to comment
mrandyk Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Could the biggest landslide in history (?) be won by one of the worst candidates in history? Talk about a bad mandate. I'll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1972 Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Could the biggest landslide in history (?) be won by one of the worst candidates in history? Talk about a bad mandate. That is the thing - the mandate. Hillary could end up wt a huge electoral college win and that will only reinforce that she is beyond reproach and can do whatever she wants. She will be the worse elected candidate in history only because her opponent was the worse possible nominee in history. If the repubs hold on to the House and the Senate that would moderate her mandate somewhat. If the repubs loose the Senate - all Hillary hell will break loose. I'm not that worried about a "mandate." She may claim that, but it's a hollow word. The only reason she's not the most-disliked candidate in recent history is Trump is running opposite her. She's genuinely disliked, will not be supported by a vast majority of people in this country, and won't get anywhere appealing to the populace in case of congressional gridlock. Link to comment
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