Repealing the ACA under Trump

[Moiraine]

Times like these I'm conflicted.

 

Do we need this to get passed so people realize how f'd up it was that they voted for this and make up for it in 2018 ans 2020?

 

Or do we need it to not pass so less people die, but they continue going on with their ignorant lives thinking we have it bad because those evil libs are obstructing Trump's/the Republicans' brilliant plans?

[NM11046]

Moraine where did you get the "40"? Just assuming cuz it's considered high risk after age 35 (or so)?

[Moiraine]

Moraine where did you get the "40"? Just assuming cuz it's considered high risk after age 35 (or so)?

The chart said 40 year old individual

[Moiraine]

What makes this all the more f'd up and illogical is the Republicans want abortion to be illegal.

 

So they want to charge women out of their a$$hole$ to have a baby, and make them also risk their lives to have an illegal abortion. They want to cut medicaid and food stamps and anything else that helps make raising a child affordable.

 

And if you do get a terrible disease and can't afford treatment or even something to numb the pain it's illegal to have someone ease your passing. Oh ya and marijuana (which helps relieve pain) is still mostly illegal and the fed has said they're going to try to crackdown more in states where it's legal.

 

Seriously f#*k these people in the a** with a rusty, spiked, iron dildo.

[RedDenver]

 

https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/859493919981281282

 

 

I'm not sure I understand this. Is it saying women over 40 who want to become covered and have had a baby have to pay the $17k premium?

 

I read it as they'd have to pay if they are currently pregnant, but that's still terrible.

[Danny Bateman]

That table is meant to show conditions that would likely lead one to enroll in the high-risk pool the GOP wants. They calculated how much more insurance companies could charge us if we have one of those conditions compared to what they charge now (surcharge).

The third column on the right shows how much that price increase would be cut into by the "help" people get from being in the high-risk pool. Basically, the third column shows how much the high-risk pool sucks.

 

Here's where the chart originated.

 

In addition to its poor design, the funding for the invisible risk pool is a drop in the bucket compared to the massive increase in enrollee health care costs as a result of the ACHA. Spread over nine years and across millions of enrollees, we estimate that the $15 billion fund could lower annual premiums by about 1 to 2 percent each year, or roughly $100 per enrollee annually. Because the AHCA substantially reduces subsidies and shifts costs onto consumers, even without stripping protections for pre-existing conditions the average enrollee would still see their total costs rise by more than $3,000 by 2020.

[Moiraine]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/news/economy/obamacare-repeal-republican-health-care-bill/index.html

 

 

Repeal the Obamacare subsidies. The GOP's plan would eliminate the Obamacare subsidies, which are refundable tax credits based on a person's income and cost of coverage in their area. More than eight in 10 enrollees on the Obamacare exchanges receive this assistance, but individuals making more than $47,500 and families of four earning more than $97,200 do not qualify. This provision would take effect in 2020.

 

Provide refundable tax credits based on age and income instead. The Republicans want to issue refundable tax credits to help people afford coverage on the individual market, but these credits will be based mainly on a person's age.

 

The credits will range from $2,000 for 20-somethings to $4,000 for those in their early 60s. The credits will also have an income cap. Those making more than $75,000 would see their tax credits start to phase out, and an enrollee making more than $215,000 would no longer be eligible. Families with incomes above $150,000 would see their credits dwindle, while those earning more than $290,000 would no longer qualify. This provision would take effect in 2020.

 

I wonder why these won't be taking effect until 2020... Gee I just can't put a finger on the reason.

 

 

 

Repeal the taxes on health insurers, prescription drug makers and medical devices. The bill seeks to lift the annual tax Obamacare imposed on drug makers and health insurers and It would also get rid of the 2.3% excise tax on the sale of certain medical devices that was put in place. The taxes would disappear in 2017.

 

If anyone needs tax relief it's insurance and drug companies!

[zoogs]

Times like these I'm conflicted.

 

Do we need this to get passed so people realize how f'd up it was that they voted for this and make up for it in 2018 ans 2020?

 

Or do we need it to not pass so less people die, but they continue going on with their ignorant lives thinking we have it bad because those evil libs are obstructing Trump's/the Republicans' brilliant plans?

I'm a short-term pragmatist. I think we always try to choose the least bad option instead of making risky bets that accepting a big setback at any given point will result in some fantastic payoff later.

 

That said, we have to try to think about the reality we're dealt in the most positive terms possible.

[Danny Bateman]

Cutting taxes on the wealthy isn't going to go over well with anyone besides the wealthy, no matter how they spin it.

 

Even if they put off their plan until 2020, that's just more time to hammer them for it. The GOP basically campaigned solely on how awful and socialist the ACA was for the last decade. They successfully got many Americans to despise the ACA that entire time, until just recently when people started realizing how awful the alternative was.

 

I see no reason this plan won't be successfully used as a cudgel against them, should it pass.

[Moiraine]

Cutting taxes on the wealthy isn't going to go over well with anyone besides the wealthy, no matter how they spin it.

 

Even if they put off their plan until 2020, that's just more time to hammer them for it. The GOP basically campaigned solely on how awful and socialist the ACA was for the last decade. They successfully got many Americans to despise the ACA that entire time, until just recently when people started realizing how awful the alternative was.

 

I see no reason this plan won't be successfully used as a cudgel against them, should it pass.

You're overestimating how educated the average voter is. If the worst stuff won't go into effect until 2020 it won't have much of an impact on votes.

[QMany]

[Danny Bateman]

 

Cutting taxes on the wealthy isn't going to go over well with anyone besides the wealthy, no matter how they spin it.

 

Even if they put off their plan until 2020, that's just more time to hammer them for it. The GOP basically campaigned solely on how awful and socialist the ACA was for the last decade. They successfully got many Americans to despise the ACA that entire time, until just recently when people started realizing how awful the alternative was.

 

I see no reason this plan won't be successfully used as a cudgel against them, should it pass.

You're overestimating how educated the average voter is. If the worst stuff won't go into effect until 2020 it won't have much of an impact on votes.

 

 

I still think it's a major gift to Democrats. How can they possibly muck it up? If they take a page from Bernie's book and paint them as only interested in serving the needs of the ultra-wealthy over everyone else, I don't see how that could be a BAD messaging strategy.

 

But, it's the Democrats we're talking about. Them going full impotent and dropping the ball wouldn't surprise me at all...

[Danny Bateman]

Reminder:

Apparently, at some point roughly a decade ago, Paul Ryan appeared to have some scruples and/or a soul.

 

[BigRedBuster]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/news/economy/obamacare-repeal-republican-health-care-bill/index.html

 

 

Repeal the Obamacare subsidies. The GOP's plan would eliminate the Obamacare subsidies, which are refundable tax credits based on a person's income and cost of coverage in their area. More than eight in 10 enrollees on the Obamacare exchanges receive this assistance, but individuals making more than $47,500 and families of four earning more than $97,200 do not qualify. This provision would take effect in 2020.

 

Provide refundable tax credits based on age and income instead. The Republicans want to issue refundable tax credits to help people afford coverage on the individual market, but these credits will be based mainly on a person's age.

 

The credits will range from $2,000 for 20-somethings to $4,000 for those in their early 60s. The credits will also have an income cap. Those making more than $75,000 would see their tax credits start to phase out, and an enrollee making more than $215,000 would no longer be eligible. Families with incomes above $150,000 would see their credits dwindle, while those earning more than $290,000 would no longer qualify. This provision would take effect in 2020.

 

I wonder why these won't be taking effect until 2020... Gee I just can't put a finger on the reason.

 

 

 

I thought the same thing. It's clear what they are doing. They don't want any of the really bad things that affect voters to take affect until then.

 

I'm actually surprised they didn't make it 2021 so Trump can get through that election before the hammer falls.

[TGHusker]

 

So... they want to bankrupt Americans, tie them to their debt, and basically make us indentured servants, constantly working with no ability to escape from under someone's thumb.

 

Remember when Obamacare was this awful thing that we just HAD TO kill because the Republicans had a better alternative? Here it is. There's a reason neither Ryan nor Trump want their name attached to this mess like Obama with the ACA. It's going to ruin Americans' lives.

 

Just don't get sick, kids!

 

Find your bootstraps. We're going to need them. Our lives aren't worth cutting into the bottom line of big business.

 

Between what you described and the video of this Rep saying people "lead good lives and who do things the right way" don't deserve to pay more to subsidize the unhealthy...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTS_uiVU9PU

 

The hubris with which these people play with people's lives like its a game their team needs to win is sickening. If this thing goes through, I hope as many of them lose their jobs as possible.

 

And Congress exempts themselves from the new law- now nice. I wonder how many of them have pre-existing conditions?