Moiraine Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: He’s lost his gd mind. 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: As idiotic as I think, say, the Freedom Caucus in the House are most of the time, I would never call them anti-America or not American. We just disagree politically. That's OK. Graham is truly selling out his soul and saying some despicable things about his fellow Americans because he thinks it will help him keep his job. People like Lindsey Graham are probably more problematic than Trump. They're his enablers. 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 7:01 AM, TheSker said: It's not his first rodeo. Yeah. Well on his first rodeo, this admitted socialist with little name recognition and no corporate or institutional backing absolutely blindsided the Clinton and DNC machinery by explaining positions Bernie Sanders has held for 50 years to the American electorate. Since that primary surge, the DNC, the media, the moderates, angry Clinton loyalists, and yes, reportedly, even the latest wave of Russian social media bots have promoted a narrative of Bernie Sanders being unelectable and the Bernie Bros. willing to sabotage any other Dem candidate, often using complete fabrication. You'd hardly know that Sander's early numbers continue to hold, and he continues to raise more money from more people than the other candidates. So am I saying even MSNBC would overtly sabotage Bernie Sanders? Yes. Look at the graphic below. CNN and MSNBC do little things like this all the time. It's kinda creepy. 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 23 hours ago, TheSker said: Of course I think they will vote based on their own economic situation. Sanders would be highly likely to get the vote of those with student loans. Why wouldn't they vote for Sanders? But I think there's also a high number of the population that recognizes it as forced income redistribution and know it will adversely affect their economic situation. And they will also vote according to their situation. With the stock market high and unemployment low, it will be very hard for any Democrat to unseat Trump. It's a much trickier but more important argument that we actually have had 30 years of forced income redistribution, but for some reason it's never called that when the money is handed upwards. The economic indicators are pretty much in agreement: the working and middle class have taken a big hit from supply side economics, and nothing about the pretty numbers from the last 8 years suggests a sustainable solution. In one category after another, the U.S. is drifting down the ranking of first world nations. It is literally insane how the wealthiest country on Earth chooses to spend its money. 2 Link to comment
knapplc Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 And that is why we see so many people still supporting Trump. At least he's being honest about it. It'd be interesting to see if any of our HuskerBoard Trump supporters will be similarly honest. 1 Link to comment
TheSker Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said: With the stock market high and unemployment low, it will be very hard for any Democrat to unseat Trump. Yes.....that's my thought as well. Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, TheSker said: Yes.....that's my thought as well. Feel free to read and respond to the rest of my post. Link to comment
TheSker Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said: It's a much trickier but more important argument that we actually have had 30 years of forced income redistribution, but for some reason it's never called that when the money is handed upwards. The economic indicators are pretty much in agreement: the working and middle class have taken a big hit from supply side economics, and nothing about the pretty numbers from the last 8 years suggests a sustainable solution. In one category after another, the U.S. is drifting down the ranking of first world nations. It is literally insane how the wealthiest country on Earth chooses to spend its money. Nothing here to disagree with. Capitalism consistently rewards producers. Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheSker said: Nothing here to disagree with. So you agree that supply-side economics has been a mirage and that Capitalism is forced income redistribution from the bottom to the top? You are coming along, my short-winded friend. 1 Link to comment
TheSker Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: So you agree that supply-side economics has been a mirage and that Capitalism is forced income redistribution from the bottom to the top? You are coming along, my short-winded friend. I would not agree with your exaggerated descriptors....but I literally just said the producers get rewarded in capitalism. And yes, I'm a fan of rewarding producers. 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, TheSker said: I would not agree with your exaggerated descriptors....but I literally just said the producers get rewarded in capitalism. And yes, I'm a fan of rewarding producers. No, you literally pretended to agree with me, offered an exaggerated conclusion I didn't make, and ignored every other point I had. There's a good reason you rely on brevity. 1 Link to comment
TheSker Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: No, you literally pretended to agree with me, offered an exaggerated conclusion I didn't make, and ignored every other point I had. There's a good reason you rely on brevity. I agree about the upward flow of money. I'd call that consumer to producer. I wouldn't call that "forced" I agree that how the US has spent resources is insane. Then, AFTER I agreed, suddenly such words as "mirage" appear asking for my agreement. Um. No. 1 Link to comment
LumberJackSker Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: With how much the cold war is brought up in classes you take growing up in the US you would think someone on the right would actually know what a communist is. 2 Link to comment
Landlord Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Capitalism does reward producers that is true. And good, or at least should be good. Unfortunately, what's also true is that in our quasi corporatism/capitalism country, other things are also rewarded. Things like hoarding wealth, dehumanizing your workforce and preying on ignorance and stupidity of the helpless. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I wonder how partisan this vote will be. 1 Link to comment
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