Notre Dame Joe Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Nebfanatic said: I'm arguing he can but it is bribery. A WH meeting isn't leverage over campaign donors but it is certainly leverage over a newly elected President of Ukraine and using that leverage to gain something of personal value is in fact bribery. You must think all peace treaties are bribes. The leaders don't get the photo-op unless they agree to a cease-fire. 1 1 Link to comment
funhusker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said: You must think all peace treaties are bribes. The leaders don't get the photo-op unless they agree to a cease-fire. 4 Link to comment
ZRod Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said: You must think all peace treaties are bribes. The leaders don't get the photo-op unless they agree to a cease-fire. The President can't withhold funds already approved by Congress without Congressional and Senate approval. It was banned under Nixon. 3 Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said: You must think all peace treaties are bribes. The leaders don't get the photo-op unless they agree to a cease-fire. Peace treaties benefit nations. That's what presidents are supposed to do - benefit a nation. Trump's bribe was a direct benefit to himself. 6 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said: You must think all peace treaties are bribes. The leaders don't get the photo-op unless they agree to a cease-fire. Peace treaties are created on behalf of the US for our national security interests. Peace treaties are appropriate foriegn policy agendas. Leveraging world leaders to accomplish that end is A ok with me. This announcment of an in investigation into the Bidens does not serve our national security interest. It is not official US policy and frankly should not be handled through foreign policy to begin with. It is only done to benefit the one asking for it. That is a bribe. You are either extremely niave, or purposely arguing a losing point. Either way I'm not sure to what end. Why are you putting the blinders on for Trump? What has he even done that warrents this kind of head in the sand defense? 2 Link to comment
QMany Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The bad-faith rationalizations are just lazy at this point. 4 Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Nebfanatic said: Why are you putting the blinders on for Trump? What has he even done that warrents this kind of head in the sand defense? (triggering libs) Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said: You must think all peace treaties are bribes. The leaders don't get the photo-op unless they agree to a cease-fire. You’re really struggling with this aren’t you? 3 Link to comment
ZRod Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I usually hate this kind of stuff, but what the hell. @Notre Dame Joe 5 2 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, ZRod said: I usually hate this kind of stuff, but what the hell. @Notre Dame Joe "Poorly educated"..... Get it right 1 Link to comment
ZRod Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: "Poorly educated"..... Get it right No meme is perfect. 1 Link to comment
Notre Dame Joe Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 11 hours ago, knapplc said: Peace treaties benefit nations. That's what presidents are supposed to do - benefit a nation. Trump's bribe was a direct benefit to himself. 11 hours ago, Nebfanatic said: Peace treaties are created on behalf of the US for our national security interests. Peace treaties are appropriate foriegn policy agendas. Leveraging world leaders to accomplish that end is A ok with me. This announcment of an in investigation into the Bidens does not serve our national security interest. It is not official US policy and frankly should not be handled through foreign policy to begin with. It is only done to benefit the one asking for it. That is a bribe. Investigating the quid pro quo Biden bragged about is a legitimate national interest. I was keeping that in my pocket in case they ever did discover a QPQ. But there was none, the money was delivered and Ukrainian investigators didn't fog a mirror. So your left with a leaker angry that people weren't talking about Trump looking weak. He runs off to the Ds in Congress and we had to watch a month long whine. 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said: Investigating the quid pro quo Biden bragged about is a legitimate national interest. I was keeping that in my pocket in case they ever did discover a QPQ. But there was none, the money was delivered and Ukrainian investigators didn't fog a mirror. So your left with a leaker angry that people weren't talking about Trump looking weak. He runs off to the Ds in Congress and we had to watch a month long whine. Wow.....that’s impressive. Link to comment
funhusker Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said: Investigating the quid pro quo Biden bragged about is a legitimate national interest. I was keeping that in my pocket in case they ever did discover a QPQ. But there was none, the money was delivered and Ukrainian investigators didn't fog a mirror. So your left with a leaker angry that people weren't talking about Trump looking weak. He runs off to the Ds in Congress and we had to watch a month long whine. I laugh thinking about you watching “To Catch a Predator”. NDJ: “Look, they didn’t have sex. The girl never even opened one of the Zimas. Hell! She was actually an adult just pretending to be a kid. No harm, no foul!” 4 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said: Investigating the quid pro quo Biden bragged about is a legitimate national interest. I was keeping that in my pocket in case they ever did discover a QPQ. But there was none, the money was delivered and Ukrainian investigators didn't fog a mirror. So your left with a leaker angry that people weren't talking about Trump looking weak. He runs off to the Ds in Congress and we had to watch a month long whine. No it is not and there are hours of testimony from national sercurity experts stating exactly that. It was not part of our national security and that is absolutely clear. Secondly, Sondland specifically said there was a QPQ for the WH meeting at the direction of the President which by the way, Zelensky is yet to receive. Thats a bribe. The fact that he released the aid only after he was briefed on the whistleblower complaint is an a$$ cover about half the size of the a$$ 1 Link to comment
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