(POLL) Should NU fire Miles?

[GBRFAN]

 

 

I'm not following Husker basketball that closely, but from what I've been able to see, Miles and his assistants seem to bring in big time recruits similar to what Danny Nee was able to do. This is a tough league and we should have a lot of patience instead of thinking we're going to land some super coach who will magically transform the team. JMNSHO.

 

^ This post is about as accurate as any in this thread - take away KU (every year) and OU (for a couple 4/5 year stints) and the Big8 was pretty bad. Take away the lack of a power house for 1 season (last year) in the Big10 and the conference is on a different level. Comparing records is not a fair battle. In no way will I say that TM has produced on the court as DN did, however 1 to 2 years of patience is required. There will be a day within this decade that we will know if TM put it together or just didn't have it.

 

 

Within this decade?! He's going into year 6, and (again) has the worst winning % out of any Nebraska coach since the 50s. It doesn't take a decade to find out whether or not a coach is going to be successful at a job.

 

Last I checked Miles wasn't coaching at the start of this decade so tough to argue your point - also pretty strong consensus that we are in the toughest conference that we have been in since the 50's.

[girlknowsfootball]

My take on Miles is this.

 

He can recruit really well. He gets players on campus at the guard and forward positions. But he seems to undervalue and neglect having well developed big men on the team. He struggles to get them and really doesn't offer many or seem to focus on many.

Once Miles gets his players on campus I see them misused. For example, jeriah horne was one of our best outside shooters and offensive players last year, yet he sat the bench over and over again when we desperately needed outside shooting. The reason given was his failure to play good defense, but we really needed offense that they needed to play him.

Michael Jacobson had a nice mid range, top of the key shot that was rarely utilized. They kept him down in the post and had him post up. He could shoot pretty well from mid to outside, he vocalized that was where he felt he had skill set and he wanted the opportunity to play there.

Ed Morrow played well underneath but was severely undersized to be Down there. He should have been put at the 3/4 and allowed to play mid range in addition to helping down low. I could see why he was frustrated. Miles made him into a 6'7" center and he was not a center.

 

The primary issue I see with Miles is his ability to adjust his offense to his players skill sets and his failure to get quality big men, big as in 6'10"-7'2" players. He gets highly ranked players and asks them to do things that are not their strengths.

[GBRFAN]

 

 

 

 

I'm not following Husker basketball that closely, but from what I've been able to see, Miles and his assistants seem to bring in big time recruits similar to what Danny Nee was able to do. This is a tough league and we should have a lot of patience instead of thinking we're going to land some super coach who will magically transform the team. JMNSHO.

 

^ This post is about as accurate as any in this thread - take away KU (every year) and OU (for a couple 4/5 year stints) and the Big8 was pretty bad. Take away the lack of a power house for 1 season (last year) in the Big10 and the conference is on a different level. Comparing records is not a fair battle. In no way will I say that TM has produced on the court as DN did, however 1 to 2 years of patience is required. There will be a day within this decade that we will know if TM put it together or just didn't have it.

 

 

Within this decade?! He's going into year 6, and (again) has the worst winning % out of any Nebraska coach since the 50s. It doesn't take a decade to find out whether or not a coach is going to be successful at a job.

 

Not saying he is the coach, but I hate your comparison. The Big 10, even on an off year, is a much tougher league than the Big 12 was back then.

 

What metric would you like to use? If you use RPI, you have to go back to 2012-2013 to find a year when the Big Ten had a higher conference RPI than the Big 12.

 

 

come on - if you are going to compare then and now you can't use the arguement using numbers from now and now. it clearly states in the arguement that we are talking about "back then" now if you wan't to use our big12 days or our big8 days then so be it.

[GBRFAN]

So if Miles coached in the Big 12 the last 5 years he would be undefeated?

 

No chance - and as mentioned that conference is dominated by KU. There isn't a single post in this thread that insinuates this - nice try thou.

[Cdog923]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not following Husker basketball that closely, but from what I've been able to see, Miles and his assistants seem to bring in big time recruits similar to what Danny Nee was able to do. This is a tough league and we should have a lot of patience instead of thinking we're going to land some super coach who will magically transform the team. JMNSHO.

 

^ This post is about as accurate as any in this thread - take away KU (every year) and OU (for a couple 4/5 year stints) and the Big8 was pretty bad. Take away the lack of a power house for 1 season (last year) in the Big10 and the conference is on a different level. Comparing records is not a fair battle. In no way will I say that TM has produced on the court as DN did, however 1 to 2 years of patience is required. There will be a day within this decade that we will know if TM put it together or just didn't have it.

 

 

Within this decade?! He's going into year 6, and (again) has the worst winning % out of any Nebraska coach since the 50s. It doesn't take a decade to find out whether or not a coach is going to be successful at a job.

 

Not saying he is the coach, but I hate your comparison. The Big 10, even on an off year, is a much tougher league than the Big 12 was back then.

 

What metric would you like to use? If you use RPI, you have to go back to 2012-2013 to find a year when the Big Ten had a higher conference RPI than the Big 12.

 

 

come on - if you are going to compare then and now you can't use the arguement using numbers from now and now. it clearly states in the arguement that we are talking about "back then" now if you wan't to use our big12 days or our big8 days then so be it.

 

So then how would you like to compare them?

[SouthLincoln Husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not following Husker basketball that closely, but from what I've been able to see, Miles and his assistants seem to bring in big time recruits similar to what Danny Nee was able to do. This is a tough league and we should have a lot of patience instead of thinking we're going to land some super coach who will magically transform the team. JMNSHO.

 

^ This post is about as accurate as any in this thread - take away KU (every year) and OU (for a couple 4/5 year stints) and the Big8 was pretty bad. Take away the lack of a power house for 1 season (last year) in the Big10 and the conference is on a different level. Comparing records is not a fair battle. In no way will I say that TM has produced on the court as DN did, however 1 to 2 years of patience is required. There will be a day within this decade that we will know if TM put it together or just didn't have it.

 

 

Within this decade?! He's going into year 6, and (again) has the worst winning % out of any Nebraska coach since the 50s. It doesn't take a decade to find out whether or not a coach is going to be successful at a job.

 

Not saying he is the coach, but I hate your comparison. The Big 10, even on an off year, is a much tougher league than the Big 12 was back then.

 

What metric would you like to use? If you use RPI, you have to go back to 2012-2013 to find a year when the Big Ten had a higher conference RPI than the Big 12.

 

 

come on - if you are going to compare then and now you can't use the arguement using numbers from now and now. it clearly states in the arguement that we are talking about "back then" now if you wan't to use our big 12 days or our big 8 days then so be it.

 

So then how would you like to compare them?

 

I have been going to the games for years. The BIG 10 is rugged. The Big 8 & 12 was not. They had some really good teams, but they were not physical. Miles reminds me of Nee. Nee could recruit, but Xs & Os were bad. Jeff Smith who was an asst. at NE a while back said the games has changed and every HS player wants to play like Golden State. Jacobson & Morrow was not going to get the chance to shot from the outside as much as they wanted. He also stated that he thought Jacobson would be on the bench by the time Big 10 play started.

[GBRFAN]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not following Husker basketball that closely, but from what I've been able to see, Miles and his assistants seem to bring in big time recruits similar to what Danny Nee was able to do. This is a tough league and we should have a lot of patience instead of thinking we're going to land some super coach who will magically transform the team. JMNSHO.

 

^ This post is about as accurate as any in this thread - take away KU (every year) and OU (for a couple 4/5 year stints) and the Big8 was pretty bad. Take away the lack of a power house for 1 season (last year) in the Big10 and the conference is on a different level. Comparing records is not a fair battle. In no way will I say that TM has produced on the court as DN did, however 1 to 2 years of patience is required. There will be a day within this decade that we will know if TM put it together or just didn't have it.

 

 

Within this decade?! He's going into year 6, and (again) has the worst winning % out of any Nebraska coach since the 50s. It doesn't take a decade to find out whether or not a coach is going to be successful at a job.

 

Not saying he is the coach, but I hate your comparison. The Big 10, even on an off year, is a much tougher league than the Big 12 was back then.

 

What metric would you like to use? If you use RPI, you have to go back to 2012-2013 to find a year when the Big Ten had a higher conference RPI than the Big 12.

 

 

come on - if you are going to compare then and now you can't use the arguement using numbers from now and now. it clearly states in the arguement that we are talking about "back then" now if you wan't to use our big12 days or our big8 days then so be it.

 

So then how would you like to compare them?

 

 

Same as you did - RPI. Lets just compare the range of years that we are discussing. At no point in this conversation was it discussed how NU would show in the current big12 (well until teach thru in his one liner). You could take a couple hours (doing the math) and figure it out or you could do the eye test as SouthLincoln Husker did - results will be the same.

[Mavric]

Conference RPI by year:

 

Year - B1G - Big 8/XII - Huskers Conference Record

Danny Nee

94-95 - .5534 - .5982

95-96 - .5657 - .5719

96-97 - .5656 - .5687

97-98 - .5598 - .5480

98-99 - .5635 - .5614

99-00 - .5891 - .5398

00-01 - .5635 - .5614

 

Barry Collier

01-02 - .5543 - .5604 - 6-9

02-03 - .5586 - .5791 - 3-13

03-04 - .5468 - .5623 - 6-10

04-05 - .5594 - .5694 - 7-9

05-06 - .5802 - .5566 - 7-9

06-07 - .5693 - .5566 - 6-10

 

Doc Sadler

07-08 - .5466 - .5663 - 7-9

08-09 - .5823 - .5604 - 8-8

09-10 - .5476 - .5993 - 2-14

10-11 - .5748 - .5726 - 7-9

11-12 - .5769 - .5650 - 4-14 *Huskers first year in B1G

 

Tim Miles

12-13 - .5772 - .5581 - 5-13

13-14 - .5737 - .5812 - 11-7

14-15 - .5633 - .5848 - 5-13

15-16 - .5515 - .5884 - 6-12

16-17 - .5667 - .5748 - 6-12

 

Under Nee (for time frame available), the B1G was better four out of 7 years. B1G Average: .5658; Big 8/XII Average: .5642

Under Collier, the Big XII was better 4 out of 6 years. B1G: .5614; Big XII: .5640

Under Sadler, the B1G was better 3 out of 5 years. B1G: .5656; Big XII: .5727

Under Miles, the Big XII has been better 4 out of 5 years. B1G: .5664; Big XII: .5774

 

Under Miles, the B1G Average RPI has been .5664. Under the other three coaches (all but one year in the BiG XII), the Big XII was .5642, .5640 and .5727 for an overall average of .5665.

 

So, generally speaking, the B1G was slightly tougher under Miles than the Big XII was for Nee and Collier, though the Big XII was noticeably tougher for Sadler.

 

Overall, there is hardly enough distinction in the overall toughness to even be brought up.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Mavric

[Cdog923]

Conference RPI by year:

 

Year - B1G - Big 8/XII - Huskers Conference Record

Danny Nee

94-95 - .5534 - .5982

95-96 - .5657 - .5719

96-97 - .5656 - .5687

97-98 - .5598 - .5480

98-99 - .5635 - .5614

99-00 - .5891 - .5398

00-01 - .5635 - .5614

 

Barry Collier

01-02 - .5543 - .5604 - 6-9

02-03 - .5586 - .5791 - 3-13

03-04 - .5468 - .5623 - 6-10

04-05 - .5594 - .5694 - 7-9

05-06 - .5802 - .5566 - 7-9

06-07 - .5693 - .5566 - 6-10

 

Doc Sadler

07-08 - .5466 - .5663 - 7-9

08-09 - .5823 - .5604 - 8-8

09-10 - .5476 - .5993 - 2-14

10-11 - .5748 - .5726 - 7-9

11-12 - .5769 - .5650 - 4-14 *Huskers first year in B1G

 

Tim Miles

12-13 - .5772 - .5581 - 5-13

13-14 - .5737 - .5812 - 11-7

14-15 - .5633 - .5848 - 5-13

15-16 - .5515 - .5884 - 6-12

16-17 - .5667 - .5748 - 6-12

 

Under Nee (for time frame available), the B1G was better four out of 7 years. B1G Average: .5658; Big 8/XII Average: .5642

Under Collier, the Big XII was better 4 out of 6 years. B1G: .5614; Big XII: .5640

Under Sadler, the B1G was better 3 out of 5 years. B1G: .5656; Big XII: .5727

Under Miles, the Big XII has been better 4 out of 5 years. B1G: .5664; Big XII: .5774

 

Under Miles, the B1G Average RPI has been .5664. Under the other three coaches (all but one year in the BiG XII), the Big XII was .5642, .5640 and .5727 for an overall average of .5665.

 

So, generally speaking, the B1G was slightly tougher under Miles than the Big XII was for Nee and Collier, though the Big XII was noticeably tougher for Sadler.

 

Overall, there is hardly enough distinction in the overall toughness to even be brought up.

Good work, Mavric, thanks for this.

[Cdog923]

 

Same as you did - RPI. Lets just compare the range of years that we are discussing. At no point in this conversation was it discussed how NU would show in the current big12 (well until teach thru in his one liner). You could take a couple hours (doing the math) and figure it out or you could do the eye test as SouthLincoln Husker did - results will be the same.

 

 

 

I have been going to the games for years. The BIG 10 is rugged. The Big 8 & 12 was not. They had some really good teams, but they were not physical. Miles reminds me of Nee. Nee could recruit, but Xs & Os were bad. Jeff Smith who was an asst. at NE a while back said the games has changed and every HS player wants to play like Golden State. Jacobson & Morrow was not going to get the chance to shot from the outside as much as they wanted. He also stated that he thought Jacobson would be on the bench by the time Big 10 play started.

 

 

 

So, are we still saying that the Big Ten is demonstratively stronger now than the Big 8/Big XII was back then?

[Red Five]

 

I'm not following Husker basketball that closely, but from what I've been able to see, Miles and his assistants seem to bring in big time recruits similar to what Danny Nee was able to do. This is a tough league and we should have a lot of patience instead of thinking we're going to land some super coach who will magically transform the team. JMNSHO.

 

^ This post is about as accurate as any in this thread - take away KU (every year) and OU (for a couple 4/5 year stints) and the Big8 was pretty bad. Take away the lack of a power house for 1 season (last year) in the Big10 and the conference is on a different level. Comparing records is not a fair battle. In no way will I say that TM has produced on the court as DN did, however 1 to 2 years of patience is required. There will be a day within this decade that we will know if TM put it together or just didn't have it.

 

Norm Stewart and Eddie Sutton would like to have a word with you.

[GBRFAN]

Conference RPI by year:

 

Year - B1G - Big 8/XII - Huskers Conference Record

Danny Nee

94-95 - .5534 - .5982

95-96 - .5657 - .5719

96-97 - .5656 - .5687

97-98 - .5598 - .5480

98-99 - .5635 - .5614

99-00 - .5891 - .5398

00-01 - .5635 - .5614

 

Barry Collier

01-02 - .5543 - .5604 - 6-9

02-03 - .5586 - .5791 - 3-13

03-04 - .5468 - .5623 - 6-10

04-05 - .5594 - .5694 - 7-9

05-06 - .5802 - .5566 - 7-9

06-07 - .5693 - .5566 - 6-10

 

Doc Sadler

07-08 - .5466 - .5663 - 7-9

08-09 - .5823 - .5604 - 8-8

09-10 - .5476 - .5993 - 2-14

10-11 - .5748 - .5726 - 7-9

11-12 - .5769 - .5650 - 4-14 *Huskers first year in B1G

 

Tim Miles

12-13 - .5772 - .5581 - 5-13

13-14 - .5737 - .5812 - 11-7

14-15 - .5633 - .5848 - 5-13

15-16 - .5515 - .5884 - 6-12

16-17 - .5667 - .5748 - 6-12

 

Under Nee (for time frame available), the B1G was better four out of 7 years. B1G Average: .5658; Big 8/XII Average: .5642

Under Collier, the Big XII was better 4 out of 6 years. B1G: .5614; Big XII: .5640

Under Sadler, the B1G was better 3 out of 5 years. B1G: .5656; Big XII: .5727

Under Miles, the Big XII has been better 4 out of 5 years. B1G: .5664; Big XII: .5774

 

Under Miles, the B1G Average RPI has been .5664. Under the other three coaches (all but one year in the BiG XII), the Big XII was .5642, .5640 and .5727 for an overall average of .5665.

 

So, generally speaking, the B1G was slightly tougher under Miles than the Big XII was for Nee and Collier, though the Big XII was noticeably tougher for Sadler.

 

Overall, there is hardly enough distinction in the overall toughness to even be brought up.

Mav thanks for the data!!!!

 

Very surprised about how close the numbers came - guess the discussion needs to swing a little. I would still say that the middle portion of the big10 is tougher then what NU faced with the big8 and big12 - which could provide a tougher avenue for wins, however minor at best.

 

Guess it is time for Miles to take what he has and go win some games!!!

[Cdog923]

 

Conference RPI by year:

 

Year - B1G - Big 8/XII - Huskers Conference Record

Danny Nee

94-95 - .5534 - .5982

95-96 - .5657 - .5719

96-97 - .5656 - .5687

97-98 - .5598 - .5480

98-99 - .5635 - .5614

99-00 - .5891 - .5398

00-01 - .5635 - .5614

 

Barry Collier

01-02 - .5543 - .5604 - 6-9

02-03 - .5586 - .5791 - 3-13

03-04 - .5468 - .5623 - 6-10

04-05 - .5594 - .5694 - 7-9

05-06 - .5802 - .5566 - 7-9

06-07 - .5693 - .5566 - 6-10

 

Doc Sadler

07-08 - .5466 - .5663 - 7-9

08-09 - .5823 - .5604 - 8-8

09-10 - .5476 - .5993 - 2-14

10-11 - .5748 - .5726 - 7-9

11-12 - .5769 - .5650 - 4-14 *Huskers first year in B1G

 

Tim Miles

12-13 - .5772 - .5581 - 5-13

13-14 - .5737 - .5812 - 11-7

14-15 - .5633 - .5848 - 5-13

15-16 - .5515 - .5884 - 6-12

16-17 - .5667 - .5748 - 6-12

 

Under Nee (for time frame available), the B1G was better four out of 7 years. B1G Average: .5658; Big 8/XII Average: .5642

Under Collier, the Big XII was better 4 out of 6 years. B1G: .5614; Big XII: .5640

Under Sadler, the B1G was better 3 out of 5 years. B1G: .5656; Big XII: .5727

Under Miles, the Big XII has been better 4 out of 5 years. B1G: .5664; Big XII: .5774

 

Under Miles, the B1G Average RPI has been .5664. Under the other three coaches (all but one year in the BiG XII), the Big XII was .5642, .5640 and .5727 for an overall average of .5665.

 

So, generally speaking, the B1G was slightly tougher under Miles than the Big XII was for Nee and Collier, though the Big XII was noticeably tougher for Sadler.

 

Overall, there is hardly enough distinction in the overall toughness to even be brought up.

Mav thanks for the data!!!!

 

Very surprised about how close the numbers came - guess the discussion needs to swing a little. I would still say that the middle portion of the big10 is tougher then what NU faced with the big8 and big12 - which could provide a tougher avenue for wins, however minor at best.

 

Guess it is time for Miles to take what he has and go win some games!!!

 

Looking at those numbers, I now have a bit more respect for what Doc was able to do here. 09-10 was really rough, but that was apparently a stellar year for the Big XII.

[Landlord]

Mav thanks for the data!!!!

 

Very surprised about how close the numbers came - guess the discussion needs to swing a little. I would still say that the middle portion of the big10 is tougher then what NU faced with the big8 and big12 - which could provide a tougher avenue for wins, however minor at best.

 

 

This is a pretty great job of saying, "I was proven wrong so now I need to backpedal and move the goalposts."

 

 

If the B1G is tougher than the Big XII, so what? That's not an excuse for Miles. If the conference is tougher, then we need a better coach.

[Hayseed]

And the next....and the next... and the next.....same fans saying the same things. Miles can recruit....work on player ego management. Either that or get Bill Self to come here. ...let me know how that works out.