#NE18RASKA

[caveman99]

 

 

 

Let me know when you start posting info again...

You usually disappear when I post info because you don't have a argument against it.

 

But anyway, this is from a thread that has been going for over a year. It was brought up that average ranking may be a better indication that class ranking. the reasoning for that is it - to some extent - corrects for different class sizes.

 

With 2017 Class Final

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

 

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

First, I'm a big fan of Mike Riley and I think he is a better recruiter than Bo. But the numbers you post here don't seem to support that. In fact, I'd always thought Callahan was a better recruiter than Bo. But really there's not much of a difference between the three. I don't know what to make of that. :

 

One thing about Bo, he was better at filling gaps with JUCOs. He pulled in quite a few highly ranked JUCOs who became key players on his teams. That strategy worked especially well for Bo since he seemed very reluctant to let freshmen or even sophomores on the field. Riley and staff aren't going after JUCOs the way Bo did. But Riley seems more willing to let underclassmen see more action earlier. So there's that.

It seems we have posters going to 2 different extremes in this thread, and others. It is either MR is SOOO much better than Bo at recruiting or MR is only the same as Bo, I think the answer is more in the middle. Those on the MR train point to things that are hard to quantify with stats, like CA momentum, yes it seems like MR's staff has something a bit more positive going, but is that just because they are much more savvy with PR than Bo and Co were? I also keep seeing a lot of people using Bo's entire history to compare against MR's 3 classes as well as a lot of charts only starting at 2010 and leaving off Bo's first 2 classes, which is highly misleading. The reality is that the best comparison is to only look at Bo's years of '08-'10 compared to MR's first 3 years, '15-'17. I have cut them out from Mav's great chart above and re-pasted these classes below. Bo started at an average recruit rank of 0.8449 and by the end of year 3 had increased that up to 0.8643. MR started with an average recruit ranking of 0.8642 and in 3 years has increased that to 0.8758 so the reality is yes that MR is doing better than Bo did to the same point in his tenure at the level of talent being brought into DONU.

 

However to Mav's and others point, the gap isn't as large as it seems Matty and others are advocating; the flip is that the gap is also substantial enough to clearly say IMO that MR has been a fair bit better than Bo so far. Even if you want to throw out the transitional years and just look at years 2 & 3 after each Coach had time to organize, make changes, and recruit for a solid year plus, Bo's Y2 and Y3 classes came in at 0.8580 and 0.8642 respectively while MR's Y2 and Y3 classes came in at 0.8707 and 0.8758 respectively. This comparison serves to show MR's staff have been a fair bit better with 2 classes in a row with an average recruit ranking above 0.87 while Bo's staff didn't exceed 0.87 until year 4.

 

The one portion of this comparison that I think makes MR seem a bit closer to Bo in terms of recruiting prowess was the lower jump from Y2 to Y3 for MR's classes compared to Bo. Bo's staff consistently increased the level of talent in each class from Y1 to Y3 going from 0.8449 to 0.8642 and then also had another large jump in Y4 up to 0.8832 so at the time it seemed Bo had learned what would work and was successfully making changes to continue his staff's recruiting performance. The issue for Bo was that he peaked in Y4 and never seemed to be able to continue to grow, but rather started to decline in recruiting results. MR's Y3 average recruit rank, while much better than Bo's, didn't increase nearly as much from Y2 as Bo's did and I think a lot of fans were a bit disappointed based on how much everyone touted a potentially huge year last year as far back as 2016. I think MR also was disappointed in the lower level of improvement, which is why he made a lot of the recent changes. This is a big year for him and his staff, smaller numbers but the expectations are again really high based on the level of recruits seemingly showing interest. We shall see if MR and Co can match or exceed the level of improvement Bo and Co made from Y3 to Y4.

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

[Warrior10]

 

 

HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that.

Do you actually mean this?

Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like.

Which rating service?

[StPaulHusker]

 

 

 

HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that.

Do you actually mean this?

Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like.

Which rating service?

 

247 Composite, I would guess

[Warrior10]

 

 

 

 

HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that.

Do you actually mean this?

Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like.

We are at 50% right now so the projection is there

Yes 2 of our 4 commits are 4stars.

[Warrior10]

 

 

 

 

 

HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that.

Do you actually mean this?

Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like.

Which rating service?

247 Composite, I would guess

That's what I use, but I'd like to hear which Matty says.

[Red Five]

If anyone uses non-247C numbers, they are doing it wrong

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

 

 

 

HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that.

Do you actually mean this?

Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like.

Which rating service?

247 Composite, I would guess

That's what I use, but I'd like to hear which Matty says.

Whichever source fits my needs for a prediction! hah. I look at composite247

[Warrior10]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that.

Do you actually mean this?

Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like.

Which rating service?

247 Composite, I would guess

That's what I use, but I'd like to hear which Matty says.

Whichever source fits my needs for a prediction! hah. I look at composite247

Sounds good, 247comp it is then.

[GBRFAN]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'.

 

But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done.

 

2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits

2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits

2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class)

2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits

2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits

2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits

2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits

2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits

 

With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class.

2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)

2017 MR- 87.5

2016 MR- 87

2015 MR- 86.1

2014 Bo - 84.7 avg

2013 Bo- 86.5

2012 Bo- 87.7

2011 Bo- 88.3

2010 Bo- 78 (lol)

 

Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land.

 

Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn?

Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere.

That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though.

 

So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was.

Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff?

Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far?

No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins?

The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something.

 

But probably doesn't.

Mav, have you ever been wrong before?

 

Fine, I'll let you be right, for your sanity and pride. I MattyIce, have come to the conclusion that their is absolutely no mathematical difference between 87.3 and 87.0

 

Wait a second - I thought .3 was 3 10th's now Mod Mav has taught us all that .3 is 3 thousandths. So sad that a MOD would take such effort at destroying a thread that was started based on this staffs ability to be creative and improve the recruiting and brand at NU.

[Mavric]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'.

 

But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done.

 

2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits

2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits

2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class)

2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits

2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits

2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits

2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits

2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits

 

With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class.

2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)

2017 MR- 87.5

2016 MR- 87

2015 MR- 86.1

2014 Bo - 84.7 avg

2013 Bo- 86.5

2012 Bo- 87.7

2011 Bo- 88.3

2010 Bo- 78 (lol)

 

Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land.

 

Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn?

Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere.

That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though.

 

So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was.

Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff?

Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far?

No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins?

The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something.

 

But probably doesn't.

Mav, have you ever been wrong before?

 

Fine, I'll let you be right, for your sanity and pride. I MattyIce, have come to the conclusion that their is absolutely no mathematical difference between 87.3 and 87.0

 

Wait a second - I thought .3 was 3 10th's now Mod Mav has taught us all that .3 is 3 thousandths. So sad that a MOD would take such effort at destroying a thread that was started based on this staffs ability to be creative and improve the recruiting and brand at NU.

 

Because if you actually look at how it's formatted in the 247 Composite, it would be .873, not 87.3.

 

But please keep talking out your ass and taking cheap shots.

[NUance]

0.3% (of either 1.000 or 100). Then it won't matter whether it's 0.3 or 0.003.

[LumberJackSker]

this is getting really stupid

[famoustitles]

.873 and 87.3% are the same number folks.

Folk!

[ScottyIce]

Mad or happy Mav?

[Husker_luver]

Mad or happy Mav?

Come on dude.