TGHusker Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Yes, but let's pray the Dems put someone up that has THE BEST chance of beating him. Let's not forget what happened when they put up a pathetic candidate against him. As for the 44%. There is roughly 35% of Americans that will back him, no matter what, because of that R beside his name. The other roughly 9% has a chance of changing their minds. agreed Link to comment
TGHusker Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 Another GOPer turns on Trump and urges a conservative primary challenger. It is a great day when other conservatives speak out against Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/opinion/joe-walsh-trump-primary.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion Some quotes from the OPED Quote There’s a strong case for President Trump to face a Republican primary challenger. I know a thing or two about insurgencies. I entered Congress in 2011 as an insurgent Tea Party Republican. My goals were conservative and clear: restrain executive power and reduce the debt. Barack Obama was president then, and it was easy for us to rail against runaway spending and executive overreach. Eight years later, Mr. Trump has increased the deficit more than $100 billion year over year — it’s now nearing $1 trillion — and we hear not a word of protest from my former Republican colleagues. He abuses the Constitution for his narcissistic trade war. In private, most congressional Republicans oppose the trade war, but they don’t say anything publicly. But think about this: Mr. Trump’s tariffs are a tax increase on middle-class Americans and are devastating to our farmers. That’s not a smart electoral strategy. It’s one of the many reasons Mr. Trump is ripe for a primary challenger. In fact, it would buck the historical trend if he didn’t have one. More often than not, unpopular presidents face primary challengers. Since leaving Congress in 2013, I’ve been the host of my own conservative talk radio show several hours a day, five days a week. The only time a majority of my conservative audience has noticeably broken with the president is when he signed the omnibus spending bill in 2017 that ballooned the deficit. Fiscal responsibility is an issue the American electorate cares about but that our elected officials disregard from the top down — including the Tea Party in the Trump era. Quote In Mr. Trump, I see the worst and ugliest iteration of views I expressed for the better part of a decade. To be sure, I’ve had my share of controversy. On more than one occasion, I questioned Mr. Obama’s truthfulness about his religion. At times, I expressed hate for my political opponents. We now see where this can lead. There’s no place in our politics for personal attacks like that, and I regret making them. Quote But I soon realized that I couldn’t support him because of the danger he poses to the country, especially the division he sows at every chance, culminating a few weeks ago in his ugly, racist attack on four minority congresswomen. The fact is, Mr. Trump is a racial arsonist who encourages bigotry and xenophobia to rouse his base and advance his electoral prospects. In this, he inspires imitators. Republicans should view Mr. Trump as the liability that he is: No matter his flag-hugging, or his military parades, he’s no patriot. In front of the world, he sides with Vladimir Putin over our own intelligence community. That’s dangerous. He encouraged Russian interference in the 2016 election, and he refuses to take foreign threats seriously as we enter the 2020 election. That’s reckless. For three years, he has been at war with our federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, as he embraces tyrants abroad and embarrasses our allies. That’s un-American. And despite what his enablers claim, Mr. Trump isn’t a conservative. He’s reckless on fiscal issues; he’s incompetent on the border; he’s clueless on trade; he misunderstands executive power; and he subverts the rule of law. It’s his poor record that makes him most worthy of a primary challenge. Quote Mr. Trump has taken the legitimate differences that Americans have on policy and turned them into personal division. He’s caused me to change my tone and to reflect upon where I went over the line and to focus on policy differences moving forward. We now have a president who retweets conspiracy theories implicating his political opponents in Jeffrey Epstein’s death. We now have a president who does his level best to avoid condemning white supremacy and white nationalism. Yes, William Weld, the former Massachusetts governor, is challenging Mr. Trump from the center. But the president is more vulnerable to a challenge from the right. I’m on the right, and I’m hugely disappointed that challenge hasn’t yet materialized. Quote We need someone who could stand up, look the president in the eye and say: “Enough, sir. We’ve had enough of your indecency. We’ve had enough of your lies, your bullying, your cruelty, enough of your insults, your daily drama, your incitement, enough of the danger you place this country in every single day. We don’t want any of this anymore, and the country certainly can’t stand four more years of it.” Joe Walsh, a former Illinois congressman, is a nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host. 3 Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I know it's all fake news except when it's from Fox, but yeesh. 2 Link to comment
TheSker Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, TGHusker said: Another GOPer turns on Trump and urges a conservative primary challenger. It is a great day when other conservatives speak out against Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/opinion/joe-walsh-trump-primary.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion Some quotes from the OPED Walsh being outspoken against Trump isn't a new thing. Link to comment
commando Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, TheSker said: Walsh being outspoken against Trump isn't a new thing. but....it was him who also said this and this 2 Link to comment
TheSker Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, commando said: but....it was him who also said this and this This isn't news. He regrets voting for Trump and has said so many times. Link to comment
Ulty Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheSker said: This isn't news. He regrets voting for Trump and has said so many times. Do you feel the same way? Link to comment
RedDenver Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Moiraine said: Biden still polls the best against Trump out of everyone. Sanders is 2nd. I'm sure it varies, but recent polling I've seen have Biden and Bernie tied at 50-42 against Trump. Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I posted that last night. It's a few above this one. It's interesting. I can't remember what the 2015 polling numbers for Trump were. Can't remember if they were much higher than this? I know almost every poll, until about October, 2016, had Democrats out front of Trump. And then Trump won. We'll see if there's a last-second Comey Letter to save Trump this time. Or a helpful nudge from the Russians. Or whomever else may want to help Trump along by hacking into a voting machine or two. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Mooch too is asking that Trump gets a real primary opponent other than Weld. He thinks Trump would bow out by March as he couldn't take the humiliation of being defeated. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/anthony-scaramucci-interview-trump Quote The Mooch Explains Why He Thinks Trump Is “Crazy,” “Narcissistic,” and a “Paper Tiger” Who Will Drop Out by March 2020 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, TGHusker said: Mooch too is asking that Trump gets a real primary opponent other than Weld. He thinks Trump would bow out by March as he couldn't take the humiliation of being defeated. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/anthony-scaramucci-interview-trump People have been saying for almost 3 years that Trump is gonna quit. I think it's more likely he tries to stay in power after losing the election. 3 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Moiraine said: People have been saying for almost 3 years that Trump is gonna quit. I think it's more likely he tries to stay in power after losing the election. Yes, that is a valid concern as well. An election that is rigged (even though his admin is in power). Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Moiraine said: People have been saying for almost 3 years that Trump is gonna quit. I think it's more likely he tries to stay in power after losing the election. Definitely. He knows he'll be prosecuted afterwards, barring a presidential pardon. Which, if a Republican gets in, would be likely. And at least 50/50 odds if a Democrat wins. Link to comment
teachercd Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I honestly never thought that Trump would even want to run again. Link to comment
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