Mike Pence for President - 2017

[BigRedBuster]

I feel the opposite way...

 

Running an administration that is good for the country* is far more important than whether the President is a scumbag or not. Hence the Clinton stuff in the 90s not actually being a big deal.

 

* - and a part of that is not humiliating us internationally. Trump does that (along with lots of other things that make his admin bad). I think Trump's stupidity is far more of a detriment than his scumbaggery.

 

Anyhow, the problem is it's harder for a scumbag to run an administration that's good for the country because scumbags are selfish.

I'll say the same thing I said when Clinton was in office.

 

If someone is clearly not honest with the person they supposedly love, live with and pledged life long devotion too, how in the hell can I trust him to tell me the truth?

 

Now....we have someone in office who has cheated on three wives and we are in this situation.

 

Moral to the story, we never know what is going to happen over a four year span that will change what needs to happen. Things said on the campaign trail can very rightfully be adjusted...etc. What IS a constant is the character of the person and their decision making ability along with their general view of the world and how it should work.

[Ratt Mhule]

Can someone post the steve carrell no no god no gif for me. I would but im on mobile

[Cdog923]

 

Pence would be an absolute garbage pick for President under normal circumstances. We are nowhere near normal circumstances, though.

 

In terms of the line of succession, there is, quite literally, no one of particular value at any point.

 

Orrin Hatch would probably be the best choice. Just typing that made me slightly vomit.

 

Oh god.

[Fru]

Can someone post the steve carrell no no god no gif for me. I would but im on mobile

 

Gotchu

 

[zoogs]

We may be using 2 different sets of criteria. I was commenting on their character and scruples and you seem to be talking about running a competent administration. I don't doubt that a lot of immoral criminals couldn't run our government somewhat competently. Heck, just look at Congress for the proof. But rather, I am complaining that these are exactly the type of people who gravitate to office and/or convert to that behavior. When I say worthless human beings, I mean just that. Again, running a competent administration would sure be something nice right now but the even deeper problem is that most of those who aspire to that level are just plain scumbags.

 

I think these are similar areas. I guess I do mean both competent and reason-bound. And while we can criticize a lot of Congress members, I do want to reserve "immoral" and "criminal" for examples where it's really, really earned. I just don't share this blanket pessimism about all politicians. The important distinction to me is that of the pool, a lot of them are quite capable if flawed and a number of them are outrageously sinister -- let's say, the Trumps, Erdogans, Nigel Farages, Marine Le Pens of the world.

 

It scares the bejeezus out of me that this fundamental distinction is being lost on us. You're all absolutely right that there are still higher standards to hold politicians to after clearing this basic barrier.

[Danny Bateman]

Well, that's not really the opposite of how I feel. I just want both; a competent administration and decent people. I just believe if you start with worthwhile human beings, the competent administration is the easy part. If you're a liar, cheat, thief who is primarily concerned with staying in power and aspiring to higher offices, it's pretty hard to set your character flaws aside and do the right thing.

The problem is that right now we, for the very first time I think, have a President that is not competent and who has a dysfunctional administration. So yeah, competency may seem more critical now. But that really should be the easy part of it. Politics aside, every prior President has been competent and run a viable government even if some of them had serious character flaws. Are there no good people left that want to go into public service? Hell, it's not "public service" anymore, it's serve myself at the expense of the public. That's what I want fixed.

 

 

I agree with you on this. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes about the president: "That office makes you more who you are."

 

In other words, the office tends to take your underlying character and personality traits and amplify them.

 

What we're seeing right now? Pure, unadulterated Trump. This is who this cat is. He's 70 years old. Anybody who still thinks this guy is going to change is fooling himself.

 

By comparison, it really makes me miss Obama. We can sit and have policy discussions all day long (I'm sure you've got your fair share of disagreements), but at his core he was most definitely a kind, thoughtful, serious, empathetic man. Trump has none of those traits.

[knapplc]

If Trump goes down due to foreign involvement and/or Flynn, there's no way Pence goes unscathed.

 

[RedDenver]

If Trump goes down due to foreign involvement and/or Flynn, there's no way Pence goes unscathed.

 

Do they throw McGahn under the bus to try to save Pence?

[zoogs]

Pence has zero compunction about looking the cameras in the eye and spitting out brazen lies.

[BigRedBuster]

If Trump goes down due to foreign involvement and/or Flynn, there's no way Pence goes unscathed.

 

What an absolute load of BS.

[TGHusker]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/mike-pence-president-trump-238525

 

And then Politico has this side of the story. Many conservatives are ready to end the drama and go with

the more drama free Pence.

 

PAC created on Pence's behalf

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-17/pence-takes-steps-to-build-war-chest-as-white-house-stumbles

[zoogs]

Oh, bring on Mike Pence. Paul Ryan. Whomever it is the GOP wants to anoint. Let's make them own their brand of politics at last. No more of this "Hey guys, it's just Trump" cow dung.

[Making Chimichangas]

I hate Trump as much as anyone and I have the posts here in the P&R Forum to prove it.

 

But holy f'ing sh**... I do NOT want Mike Pence as President.

 

So if Trump goes down, then they better damn well take Pence down too--otherwise, things are going to get MUCH WORSE.

[Danny Bateman]

Pence has zero compunction about looking the cameras in the eye and spitting out brazen lies.

 

Anyone who watched the Vice Presidential debate with an impartial mind knows this is absolutely, 100% true.

 

I would still prefer Pence to Trump. Trump is nuts, and if Pence passes a strongly socially conservative agenda and people hate it, they won't be able to blame Trump.

 

But I won't shed a single tear or lose an ounce of sleep if Pence goes down in flames.

[knapplc]

The paper trail for Pence becomes clearer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE - Twitter is experiencing some kind of error right now. I've included the text of the letter, but the tweet itself, which says, "Pence claims as Transition head, he was not informed about Flynn's conflicts and Russia connections. Then explain this from Elijah Cummings," isn't showing.