dvdcrr Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ulty said: Guy said "yeah you're done" in direct response to you saying "I am done here" Like objectively speaking, I can see why many would ordain Nick Saban. I just wonder about that though. There is something a little odd the way it is always Clemson Alabama, Clemson Alabama, almost every year. I think Saban is an adept program leader, even if emotionally immature, and impolite. And Dabo is a great leader as well. But there really is something systemic here allowing these two schools (almost exclusively) to field the best talent. That is the asterisk to me behind Saban's name. To quote your GOAT: "QUIT ASKING!!" http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24552248 Quote Link to comment
dvdcrr Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Ulty said: Guy said "yeah you're done" in direct response to you saying "I am done here" I tried, but was told "you're done". Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment
Ulty Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, dvdcrr said: I tried, but was told "you're done". Good luck with that. 2 Quote Link to comment
HS_Coach_C Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Saban is arguably the greatest coach of his time. Osborne was arguably the greatest coach of his time. It's impossible to compare across different eras. The end. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, dvdcrr said: Like objectively speaking, I can see why many would ordain Nick Saban. Me too. Quote Link to comment
Jeepy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 One of the best threads I've read. .. Okay, so I've only read two, but still. No, nice to see a bit of research and knowledge and a lot of laughs. I can only offer that the past five years is only the past five years. Not a very long sample to declare a "warm weather prejudice" thingy. Quote Link to comment
huskerfan333157 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 1:22 AM, dvdcrr said: If Saban were to go back to a school like Mich. St and win two NC in a row or 2 in 3 years I would be convinced. You win a bunch of titles at Alabama where 275 lb blue chip linemen are falling out of the wax myrtle and lob lollies. Kind of waters it down for me. I see a super focused man who throws tantrums. Definitely gets results or you are fired. But I see assistants calling his plays. I see boosters and full staff ensuring the cupboard is stacked. No Saban is not the best of all time to me. Has more to prove. I guess it would be like saying a certain race car driver is the best knowing he always had the fastest motor, and best pit crew. Take that same coach and put him at Iowa. Win 2 titles there, I am turning around. Alabama's record from 2000 til Saban got there: 3-8, 7-5, 4-9, 6-6, 10-2, 6-7. Man, you're right, they were such a powerhouse before Saban got there! He's also lost numerous coordinators but their ghosts must still be there since they're always doing the work. I mean, it's not a talent to keep finding coordinaters who are good to replace the other. I also forgot that Osborne was a saint, I mean it's not like he hid a gun for his player or wanted professors to change grades so football players would be eligible. Regardless, Saban is the best head coach of all time imo but Osborne is right after him. Quote Link to comment
jsneb83 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Head-to-head wins Tom: 2 Nick: 0 End thread 2 1 Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 An under-appreciated aspect of Saban's coaching career has been his ability to maintain consistency across multiple staff changes, especially when you take into account a lot of coaching 'misfits' who have gone there to reinvigorate their career (i.e. Sarkisian and Kiffen). It's nothing short of remarkable. You can't go wrong with either coach, obviously. Saban will likely go down as the 'best ever' simply because of the hardware and recruiting successes. But, I think T.O. did more with less, and Saban has yet to produce a team that gets thrown out there for consideration as one of the greatest of all time. This year is really the first team worthy of that discussion. Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Enhance said: An under-appreciated aspect of Saban's coaching career has been his ability to maintain consistency across multiple staff changes, especially when you take into account a lot of coaching 'misfits' who have gone there to reinvigorate their career (i.e. Sarkisian and Kiffen). It's nothing short of remarkable. You can't go wrong with either coach, obviously. Saban will likely go down as the 'best ever' simply because of the hardware and recruiting successes. But, I think T.O. did more with less, and Saban has yet to produce a team that gets thrown out there for consideration as one of the greatest of all time. This year is really the first team worthy of that discussion. I am sure ESPN would love to jump on the best ever conversation. I remember the ESPN nerds on tv hyping 2005 USC as the best ever the whole season. Then they lost in the national championship to Texas. Then they changed their mind and said maybe 2004 USC is one of the best ever. Quote Link to comment
Roundball Shaman Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Warm Team vs. Cold Team 2018 BOWL GAMES TALLY Warm (or Warmer) Team Beats Cold Team = 12 Times Alabama over Oklahoma Alabama Birmingham over Northern Illinois Auburn over Purdue Baylor over Vanderbilt Clemson over Notre Dame Duke over Temple Florida over Michigan FIU over Toledo Georgia Southern over Eastern Michigan Stanford over Pittsburgh Troy over Buffalo Wake Forest over Memphis Cold Team Beats Warm Team = 7 Times Army over Houston Iowa over Mississippi State Marshall over South Florida Minnesota over Georgia Tech Ohio over San Diego State Utah State over North Texas Wisconsin over Miami Cold vs. Cold: Appalachian State over Middle Tennessee BYU over Western Michigan Kentucky over Pennsylvania State Nevada over Arkansas State Northwestern over Utah Ohio State over Washington Oklahoma State over Missouri Oregon over Michigan State Syracuse over West Virginia Washington State over Iowa State Warm vs. Warm: Fresno State over Arizona State LSU over UCF Louisiana Tech over Hawaii North Carolina A&T over Alcorn State Texas over Georgia Texas A&M over North Carolina State TCU over California Tulane over Louisiana Lafayette Toss-Up Climates: Cincinnati over Virginia Tech Virginia over South Carolina 2018-19 National Champion: Warm Weather Team 2018 Bowls Warm over Cold = 12 Times (63%) Cold over Warm = 7 Times (37%) 1 Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Roundball Shaman said: Warm Team vs. Cold Team 2018 BOWL GAMES TALLY Warm (or Warmer) Team Beats Cold Team = 12 Times Alabama over Oklahoma Alabama Birmingham over Northern Illinois Auburn over Purdue Baylor over Vanderbilt Clemson over Notre Dame Duke over Temple Florida over Michigan FIU over Toledo Georgia Southern over Eastern Michigan Stanford over Pittsburgh Troy over Buffalo Wake Forest over Memphis Cold Team Beats Warm Team = 7 Times Army over Houston Iowa over Mississippi State Marshall over South Florida Minnesota over Georgia Tech Ohio over San Diego State Utah State over North Texas Wisconsin over Miami Cold vs. Cold: Appalachian State over Middle Tennessee BYU over Western Michigan Kentucky over Pennsylvania State Nevada over Arkansas State Northwestern over Utah Ohio State over Washington Oklahoma State over Missouri Oregon over Michigan State Syracuse over West Virginia Washington State over Iowa State Warm vs. Warm: Fresno State over Arizona State LSU over UCF Louisiana Tech over Hawaii North Carolina A&T over Alcorn State Texas over Georgia Texas A&M over North Carolina State TCU over California Tulane over Louisiana Lafayette Toss-Up Climates: Cincinnati over Virginia Tech Virginia over South Carolina 2018-19 National Champion: Warm Weather Team 2018 Bowls Warm over Cold = 12 Times (63%) Cold over Warm = 7 Times (37%) Many of those are warm vs warm Quote Link to comment
ATLHusker Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 yeah i don't think you can really count a school in tennessee as anything resembling a cold weather team, which you did at least 3 times. 1 Quote Link to comment
GSG Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Have you factored climate change into your bulls#!t nonsense, @Roundball Shaman ? 2 Quote Link to comment
In the Deed the Glory Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Somebody go tell Oklahoma people they live in a cold state 1 Quote Link to comment
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