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Is there some form of discontent in the athletic department? 1620 is peddling the thought that not everything is sunshine and roses with Moos. 

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A few people have mentioned this to me but it was in regards to a few boosters not being super thrilled with the spending of cash.

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I only caught some of the discussion on 1620 this morning, but, the portion I heard seemed to largely be related to Miles and Moos' lack of visible support for the men's bball program and coach. To that I say... it's not football and it sort of is what it is.

 

I'm unaware or haven't heard rumors of other discontent, although that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've heard several first hand accounts of Moos doing some really generous and savvy things as AD and they've made me fairly appreciative of him up to this point.

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8 minutes ago, Enhance said:

I only caught some of the discussion on 1620 this morning, but, the portion I heard seemed to largely be related to Miles and Moos' lack of visible support for the men's bball program and coach. To that I say... it's not football and it sort of is what it is.

 

I'm unaware or haven't heard rumors of other discontent, although that doesn't mean there aren't any. I've heard several first hand accounts of Moos doing some really generous and savvy things as AD and they've made me fairly appreciative of him up to this point.

I have been happy with Moos so far. As far as Miles goes- I wish we had a different basketball coach so I have no problem with Moos maybe not being on board with Miles.

 

Perhaps the Boosters mentioned are fans of Tim Miles? Just a guess but maybe Moos has been feeling them out to see if they are willing to pitch in to buyout Miles and fire him if it comes to that and maybe they dont want to pony up since we just bought out Riley? 

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I'm listening to it a bit more closely now; they're talking about Jack Stark not being allowed to work with the basketball or volleyball programs (I didn't know he was associated with the University again?). Mike Schaefer starts going in on Hank Bounds, too; essentially saying he wants to be AD without actually having the title. 

 

Here's the initial segment: skip to about halfway in. 

 

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It's great that we have so many people covering Husker sports, but there are a lot of times when I think we have too many people covering Husker sports. They all need something to talk about and they need an angle to make their story interesting. 

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3 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

I'm listening to it a bit more closely now; they're talking about Jack Stark not being allowed to work with the basketball or volleyball programs (I didn't know he was associated with the University again?). Mike Schaefer starts going in on Hank Bounds, too; essentially saying he wants to be AD without actually having the title. 

 

Here's the initial segment: skip to about halfway in. 

 

Stark!!! @ColoradoHusk

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2 hours ago, knapplc said:

It's great that we have so many people covering Husker sports, but there are a lot of times when I think we have too many people covering Husker sports. They all need something to talk about and they need an angle to make their story interesting. 

 

ESPECIALLY this time of year. I tune most of the local shows out this time of year until around spring practice. 

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If the football program is good to go then I am OK with the AD.   As far as basketball I don't follow it to closely however with the money being spent on facilities I would hope that we keep looking for a coach that can take the program to the next level. 

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4 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

I'm listening to it a bit more closely now; they're talking about Jack Stark not being allowed to work with the basketball or volleyball programs (I didn't know he was associated with the University again?). Mike Schaefer starts going in on Hank Bounds, too; essentially saying he wants to be AD without actually having the title. 

 

Here's the initial segment: skip to about halfway in. 

 

I will have to listen to the segment, but I think Dr. Stark does work with Creighton's basketball team (and maybe volleyball), so if he were to also try to work with the NU basketball and volleyball teams, it could create a conflict of interests.

 

I know Dr. Stark is not an employee of either University and is an independent consultant, but I am just throwing that possibility out there.

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What’s a basketball

 

 

 

 

 

 

More seriously, I assumed Moos would take a wait and see approach with Miles. His seat has been warm since Moos got here. If they don’t stop losing games like the Rutgers game, he should probably be fired.

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1 hour ago, mnhusker said:

If the football program is good to go then I am OK with the AD. 

By and large, that's how most Husker fans feel whether they're willing to readily admit it or not, and I think that's why I don't really care too much if Moos is frustrating some people in other areas. Football subsidizes the AD in many ways.

 

And @knapplc is spot on. I'll take it a step further and say this probably isn't worth much. Have any of us ever worked for a corporation where there wasn't some drama, where some person or department didn't feel like they were being given the cold shoulder in some form or fashion? I can't say I have. It just so happens their drama becomes public quickly.

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56 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I will have to listen to the segment, but I think Dr. Stark does work with Creighton's basketball team (and maybe volleyball), so if he were to also try to work with the NU basketball and volleyball teams, it could create a conflict of interests.

 

I know Dr. Stark is not an employee of either University and is an independent consultant, but I am just throwing that possibility out there.

Exactly!  He could hypnotize one team into not making shots.

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1 hour ago, Moiraine said:

What’s a basketball

 

 

 

 

 

 

More seriously, I assumed Moos would take a wait and see approach with Miles. His seat has been warm since Moos got here. If they don’t stop losing games like the Rutgers game, he should probably be fired.

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I have heard some things regarding Boosters being upset Moos said the facilities were 8th or whatever in the B1G. The boosters thought otherwise and thought they were fine. We will have to wait and see what we decide to do. I think we wait to see if we need new coaches in other sports. 

 

This next info is just some fodder/chatter but take it FWIW. I have heard Moos may leave soon but that was most likely baloney or not true. He is getting up there in age so he might only be here another couple of years. 

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10 hours ago, teachercd said:

Exactly!  He could hypnotize one team into not making shots.

This could be the explanation for Miles Nebrasketball that we've been looking for.

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I appreciate Moos’ forward thinking in regards to facilities, improve often and make small changes rather than waiting for us to be way behind and having a giant overhaul. Boosters and what not need to chill a bit in that regard, I read an article in Forbes a couple weeks ago where Nebraska is the ONLY school in the top 25 in revenue to have zero debt. Plus I imagine Frost having worked at Oregon has asked for some improvements or at least discussed “his vision”with Moos which may have prompted the “8th in the BIG” comment

 

As far as Miles goes, I like the guy but his teams constantly play down to their opponents... with this much talent we should be a two loss team right now. It’s not like this is new though, Moos only elected to give Miles a one year extension at the conclusion of last season and essentially said we’d play it by ear going forward.

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On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 2:57 PM, Moiraine said:

What’s a basketball

 

 

Isn't that a misshapen football used by kids to stomp around on the driveway?

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Moos likes to drink. Often. And boosters aren’t happy about it. 

Main concern is football and doesn’t take much interest in other sports. 

Bad blood with Moos and Green. Basically a power struggle. 

Works more like an interim AD. Hangs out all day and is lazy. 

 

 

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Well you heard it folks, the Sock has spoken. 

 

 

In reality - why would Moos show public support for a coach on the final year of his contract when he already knows he won't be extending it in 3 months? Sets himself up to look stupid, which Moos would not do. 

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1 hour ago, JLord said:

 

Moos likes to drink. Often. And boosters aren’t happy about it. 

Main concern is football and doesn’t take much interest in other sports. 

Bad blood with Moos and Green. Basically a power struggle. 

Works more like an interim AD. Hangs out all day and is lazy. 

 

 

 

Thanks, Jammal!

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Risking the chance that I sound like I'm excusing Moos, it's tough to digest most of those claims without context, especially the drinking "often" and bad blood with Green claim.

 

As for his primary concern being football... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Again, without context, that's exactly how I'd say the Nebraska AD should approach the job.

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 I don't expect him to be around much longer. Not just because of what's been said in this thread, just never got that impression from the beginning. He may be focused on football, but I fully expect basketball to have his attention at season's end. I think he wants to try and make a homerun hire for the basketball program.

 

Edit: They should groom Matt Davison for the job. He's been around the program for over 20 years, he's charismatic, would charish the job, and I think he'd be great at it.

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14 hours ago, JLord said:

 

Moos likes to drink. Often. And boosters aren’t happy about it. 

Main concern is football and doesn’t take much interest in other sports. 

Bad blood with Moos and Green. Basically a power struggle. 

Works more like an interim AD. Hangs out all day and is lazy. 

 

 

 

Confirmed Moos is the reincarnation of Devaney.

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15 hours ago, JLord said:

Moos likes to drink. Often. And boosters aren’t happy about it. 

Main concern is football and doesn’t take much interest in other sports

 

2 of the top qualifications for the job imo.

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On 1/23/2019 at 1:57 PM, Moiraine said:

More seriously, I assumed Moos would take a wait and see approach with Miles. His seat has been warm since Moos got here. If they don’t stop losing games like the Rutgers game, he should probably be fired.

 

My understanding is that the unofficial threshold to keep his job was for Miles to make the NCAA Tourney and win a game. If neither happen, especially with the talent on the roster, he's gone. 

 

Is that not the case any longer?

 

13 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said:

So after basketball should we focus on baseball?

 

An emphatic yes. Our program was one of few in the nation (~15) when DVH was here that actually made money. Since we picked the wrong assistant coach post-DVH, we're spiraling the drain and pissed away all that DVH helped build. 

 

I really don't see Erstad taking us to the next step in getting back to regular post-season play and CWS appearances. Maybe he'll get it figured out this season, but if not, Moos probably needs to cut bait sooner rather than later. 

 

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6 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

My understanding is that the unofficial threshold to keep his job was for Miles to make the NCAA Tourney and win a game. If neither happen, especially with the talent on the roster, he's gone. 

 

Is that not the case any longer?

 

 

An emphatic yes. Our program was one of few in the nation (~15) when DVH was here that actually made money. Since we picked the wrong assistant coach post-DVH, we're spiraling the drain and pissed away all that DVH helped build. 

 

I really don't see Erstad taking us to the next step in getting back to regular post-season play and CWS appearances. Maybe he'll get it figured out this season, but if not, Moos probably needs to cut bait sooner rather than later. 

 

 

The baseball program has been absolutely maddening since DVH left for Arkansas.  Nebraska does a really nice job in the HS ranks churning out prep talent and the fact that UNL consistently misses on talent is a head scratcher.  It's like a bizarro version of Riley where we just pass on in state kids despite them being quite good (I realize I'm way oversimplifying).

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3 minutes ago, Xmas32 said:

 

The baseball program has been absolutely maddening since DVH left for Arkansas.  Nebraska does a really nice job in the HS ranks churning out prep talent and the fact that UNL consistently misses on talent is a head scratcher.  It's like a bizarro version of Riley where we just pass on in state kids despite them being quite good (I realize I'm way oversimplifying).

 

I have heard that the relationship between DE and certain HS coaches and programs is a bit icy. 

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2 hours ago, The Dude said:

 

2 of the top qualifications for the job imo.

Exactly.

I'd bet the vast majority are on board as long as football is taken care of. We can whine about Miles and basketball all we want, and there is no reason it shouldn't improve, but it just isn't important. Hasn't been....forever.

 

I will not believe there is any discontent with Moos or the AD department until I see solid proof instead of unfounded hearsay and rumors. And then I would be much inclined to side with Moos over any higher ups. As long as football is the priority and other things don't get royally f'd up, all is good.

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20 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

I have heard that the relationship between DE and certain HS coaches and programs is a bit icy. 

 

Ditto. And IIRC, we've lost in-state talent to out-of-state schools. 

 

Part of a coach's job is doing PR within the general vicinity of the school to lock down that talent. If Erstad isn't doing that...I don't care how little we're paying him--he needs to fix it. 

 

18 hours ago, JLord said:

 

Moos likes to drink. Often. And boosters aren’t happy about it. 

Main concern is football and doesn’t take much interest in other sports. 

Bad blood with Moos and Green. Basically a power struggle. 

Works more like an interim AD. Hangs out all day and is lazy. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, teachercd said:

These are literally all the things that an AD was back in the day and should be today.

 

1.  Drinking...all of their events, golf, dinners, lunches, games...it should be social, period.  

2.  Main concern should be football first, second and third.  Period

3.  Bad blood, no s#!t??  That is because one has the job that is fun and social and the other is Green

4.  What does "hangs out all day" even mean?  WTH is he supposed to be doing?  Putting air in the footballs?  Folding the teams uniforms?

 

ADs are there to raise money (check) and hire good coaches (check).

 

And dance on top of the tables and bar at the Elks club. Can't forget that important prerequisite. 

 

The JLord criticisms are also something I'd expect from a jilted ex-wife, and not from boosters (or Green...) upset with how Moos is operating. Starting to think maybe the problem we've had the past two decades is more about myopic, petty boosters than Harvey the Wonder Chancellor and inept ADs. 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, teachercd said:

These are literally all the things that an AD was back in the day and should be today.

 

1.  Drinking...all of their events, golf, dinners, lunches, games...it should be social, period.  

2.  Main concern should be football first, second and third.  Period

3.  Bad blood, no s#!t??  That is because one has the job that is fun and social and the other is Green

4.  What does "hangs out all day" even mean?  WTH is he supposed to be doing?  Putting air in the footballs?  Folding the teams uniforms?

 

ADs are there to raise money (check) and hire good coaches (check).

 

Well, one of the other points that was made in the original discussion by Schaefer and Benning is that Bounds wants to be sort of a Shadow AD; which is why you generally see him at more events than Moos. Part of me wonders if this extends to Green? 

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I am not super connected with HS baseball here but I have never heard anything bad about DE (or good).  But he seems like he can be a little annoying and sort brings that "I am a super try hard, gritty, hard nosed player/coach that gives it his all" attitude, which can rub people the wrong way, especially when DE was actually a crazy gifted talented athlete and not just this total blue collar guy.  Dude was gifted.

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3 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

Well, one of the other points that was made in the original discussion by Schaefer and Benning is that Bounds wants to be sort of a Shadow AD; which is why you generally see him at more events than Moos. Part of me wonders if this extends to Green? 

That could be and I think Bounds is trying really really really hard to be the "cool guy" president.  You see this a lot in education now, superintendents making song parodies about snow days and using twitter to relate to students.  I think Bounds wants to be "that guy" nothing wrong with that at all.

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22 minutes ago, teachercd said:

These are literally all the things that an AD was back in the day and should be today.

 

1.  Drinking...all of their events, golf, dinners, lunches, games...it should be social, period.  

2.  Main concern should be football first, second and third.  Period

3.  Bad blood, no s#!t??  That is because one has the job that is fun and social and the other is Green

4.  What does "hangs out all day" even mean?  WTH is he supposed to be doing?  Putting air in the footballs?  Folding the teams uniforms?

 

ADs are there to raise money (check) and hire good coaches (check).

 

I agree that Moos seems like a throwback guy like Devaney.  He would probably enjoy a night or 2 at the Legion Club.  

 

You have to admit he is a complete opposite of an AD to what SE or TO was. They were both all administration nose to the grindstone guys.  I think you need a mix of it though.  Moos just might be too much of a back slapper for some boosters.  Plus he doesn't seem like the type of guy that is going to take any advise from boosters.  

 

With all that said, I never thought he was a long term guy at Nebraska he is at most a 5 year guy.  I think he was 67 when he was hired. 

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13 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

I heard an associate AD was let go today.  Anyone else hear that?

 

No, but when I search 'Athletic Director Nebraska' on Google, it returns with Dave Rimington. :o

 

Confirmed that Moos has been fired!?!?!?!?!

 

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Not really. C'mon guys, I know better--someone probably just hasn't updated Wikipedia yet. 

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25 minutes ago, NUinID said:

 

I agree that Moos seems like a throwback guy like Devaney.  He would probably enjoy a night or 2 at the Legion Club.  

 

You have to admit he is a complete opposite of an AD to what SE or TO was. They were both all administration nose to the grindstone guys.  I think you need a mix of it though.  Moos just might be too much of a back slapper for some boosters.  Plus he doesn't seem like the type of guy that is going to take any advise from boosters.  

 

With all that said, I never thought he was a long term guy at Nebraska he is at most a 5 year guy.  I think he was 67 when he was hired. 

Yeah...this is his swan song...3 more years tops.

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1 hour ago, teachercd said:

I am not super connected with HS baseball here but I have never heard anything bad about DE (or good).  But he seems like he can be a little annoying and sort brings that "I am a super try hard, gritty, hard nosed player/coach that gives it his all" attitude, which can rub people the wrong way, especially when DE was actually a crazy gifted talented athlete and not just this total blue collar guy.  Dude was gifted.

He's a terrible manager, I don't care what anyone says

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49 minutes ago, KingBlank said:

He's a terrible manager, I don't care what anyone says

I don't really know enough about managing baseball but I have heard people say that.  

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On 1/24/2019 at 12:56 AM, HuskermanMike said:

I have heard some things regarding Boosters being upset Moos said the facilities were 8th or whatever in the B1G. The boosters thought otherwise and thought they were fine. We will have to wait and see what we decide to do. I think we wait to see if we need new coaches in other sports. 

 

This next info is just some fodder/chatter but take it FWIW. I have heard Moos may leave soon but that was most likely baloney or not true. He is getting up there in age so he might only be here another couple of years. 

I feel like he was brought here to fire Riley, hire Frost and restore a bit of confidence in the program at a high level.  I also suspect he'll be the hatchet man for Miles and Erstad, make some good hires for those two teams, then get things set for a long term replacement, while he retires and goes hunting, fishing and drinking with his chums.

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1 hour ago, teachercd said:

I don't really know enough about managing baseball but I have heard people say that.  

I'VE QUESTIONED PLENTY OF THINGS HE HAS DONE. SOMETIMES THEY ARE MADDENING. 

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