Mavric Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Quote What made Hoiberg’s offense so difficult to defend in the early 2010s was how unique it was at the time. With the help of Lutz, Hoiberg implemented an offense with a new position that ISU called the H. Instead of classifying Royce White or Georges Niang as a forward, guard or center, they were just called H’s, because they played all five positions. “My best team was with 6-7 Georges Niang, when he played the five spot and he was such a matchup nightmare on the perimeter,” Hoiberg said. “He pulled the big away from the basket with his ability to shoot; he’d pump fake and go by guys.” Niang and White (6-8) would run sets as point guards or spread out to the perimeter, which threw off opposing bigs like Jeff Withey, Joel Embiid or Quincy Acy. It crumbled Bill Self’s, Bruce Weber’s and Lon Kruger’s game plans and led to two conference titles. “They move Georges around so much,” Self told KUsports.com in 2016. “We can’t play that way, because we don’t post our guards.” It is positionless basketball, Lutz said. And it’s no longer unique, or a surprise, as it was to the Big 12 from 2011 to 2015. 3 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Mavric said: Good old positionless basketball! He made it work, there is no doubt about that. It is tough to do though. Quote Link to comment
seaofred92 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Mavric said: God I love KenPom Quote Link to comment
internetman Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 isu grad and current unl grad student reporting for duty. hoiberg is a within 10 feet of the basket or a 3 pointer. he will bench a kid for shooting a long 2. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
GBRFAN Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 hours ago, internetman said: isu grad and current unl grad student reporting for duty. hoiberg is a within 10 feet of the basket or a 3 pointer. he will bench a kid for shooting a long 2. I can see that ISU didn't teach you the use of Caps - Maybe NU grad will !!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment
internetman Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 55 minutes ago, GBRFAN said: I can see that ISU didn't teach you the use of Caps - Maybe NU grad will !!!! how do you think the other words that don't get caps feel? i'm not gonna subject them to that anguish. 1 2 Quote Link to comment
GBRFAN Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 3 hours ago, internetman said: how do you think the other words that don't get caps feel? i'm not gonna subject them to that anguish. I hear ya !!! I have a relative that went to ISU and every time I went to see her it was a blast - however I still give her a hard time about going there.... 1 Quote Link to comment
Comish Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Maybe they are just anti-capitalists... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 So, smallish lineup, no true Big, and a lot of movement. How's a roster this size going to play in the Big Ten? 2 Quote Link to comment
RedSavage Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, knapplc said: So, smallish lineup, no true Big, and a lot of movement. How's a roster this size going to play in the Big Ten? I think the uptempo offense and the emphasis on 3 point shooting will help quite a bit with the lack of size. Defense is where we might have more of an issue. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, RedSavage said: I think the uptempo offense and the emphasis on 3 point shooting will help quite a bit with the lack of size. Defense is where we might have more of an issue. One thing that I firmly believe is important with a team that shoots a lot of threes is rebounding. You need at least enough size with athleticism under the basket to get a good share of the rebounds. If you're making 45% of your threes, and that's the majority of your first shots at the basket, you better be getting a lot of second shots......and preventing the other team from getting them on their end. Quote Link to comment
RedSavage Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: One thing that I firmly believe is important with a team that shoots a lot of threes is rebounding. You need at least enough size with athleticism under the basket to get a good share of the rebounds. If you're making 45% of your threes, and that's the majority of your first shots at the basket, you better be getting a lot of second shots......and preventing the other team from getting them on their end. That's a good point and I agree. Aside from that though, we hopefully won't have as much of a need for a big post player to score as we will be taking more outside shots. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, RedSavage said: That's a good point and I agree. Aside from that though, we hopefully won't have as much of a need for a big post player to score as we will be taking more outside shots. You need enough of a presents under the basket to keep the defense honest in the paint. Now, you can accomplish some of that with guys slashing and driving. But, having a guy with at least some size in there you can dish it to if the defense cheats to the outside to shut down the 3......is awesome and I'm confident Hoiberg wants that. And...a lot of these second shots off of rebounds can be put back up with the right guy getting them. What I'm getting at is that even though Hoiberg has an uptempo offense that shoots a lot of threes, to be successful with that, you need an inside presents that's effective. It's not just a matter of putting 5 guards out there and throwing balls up from la la land. Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: One thing that I firmly believe is important with a team that shoots a lot of threes is rebounding. You need at least enough size with athleticism under the basket to get a good share of the rebounds. If you're making 45% of your threes, and that's the majority of your first shots at the basket, you better be getting a lot of second shots......and preventing the other team from getting them on their end. Rebounding is important, but with guys shooting 3's, that means LONG rebounds which favors the more athletic players who can get rebounds with speed and jumping ability rather than just brute height and size with interior rebounding. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
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