ColoradoHusk Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, HuskersNC949597 said: Bowman on the left, Craver on a knee. Thanks! I recognize Craver now that you say that. Quote Link to comment
brophog Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I really like this new format, hope they make it the tradition. Accomplishes several things at once. 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 23 hours ago, Landlord said: Definitely. And as mentioned it was received well in Bo's first year too. I don't see how it wouldn't be received well in a context where the defense has been on a trend of underperforming and there is a new invigoration of fresh faces and concepts in the program. That's the best time to make players 'earn' the shirts, to bring the tradition back to a point of respectability. But, I think the good point Enhance is touching on, is that what is a good strategy in year one, maybe two, doesn't continue to work later on. What starts/started as a refreshing return to high standards turns into a gimmick and a joke. I think Bo realized that but too late when he handed them out before the season started in 2013, and Frost seems to have gotten that way earlier on, hopefully. Or people didn’t like the results (or lack thereof) and started picking nits and making mountains out of molehills. 2 Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, Mavric said: Or people didn’t like the results (or lack thereof) and started picking nits and making mountains out of molehills. Which further enforces the idea that it's a good idea to make your players 'earn' blackshirts in year one or two but will not be as smart the further into a tenure you go. Quote Link to comment
84HuskerLaw Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 14 hours ago, broganreynik said: Uhh... do you know what the Blackshirts are? Yes, I most certainly do, sir. The Blackshirts are: The Husker Defenders - the first line of defense - our Marines - our leathernecks. It is not just 'the starters' but those who are the members of the first platoon of defense. Our defense today will consist in my opinion based on what we've seen of Frost and Chin etal is a platoon of mean, hungry, hard charging players who will go in there and fight and die trying to stop and stuff the opponent's offense and get the ball back for our offense. In my view it is not 'just the names of those who play the first snap of the first game on defense = evidence by I believe Frost has around 14 already. I recall Blackshirts be given out by Osborne and McBride a time or two for the punter, for example. It is deemed a great honor to 'get' the Blackshirt as that signifies you as one of the best Husker warriors on the team. Quote Link to comment
I am I Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 The thing about waiting until they “earn” them 3-4-5 games in, is that it doesn’t mean they won’t get whipped on score or stats some weeks. Handing them out now means there are 11-15 guys that will be held ACCOUNTABLE to the blackshirt tradition. A style of play and a mindset. That still doesn’t mean they won’t give up the yards or scores. It just means that those who have earned them, this season, possess them this season. Don’t take them away, don’t award 18, don’t have players turning them in. For 2019 we have our Blackshirts. It’s up to them to make THEIR mark and hopefully someday come back to deliver to the class of 2025 or something; having their own story of what it means (with, hopefully..results). Every defense that has come and gone since the handing-out owns their spot and results. Let’s just define it as that particular season’s Blackshirt. Most have been f’ing awesome. Some defenses have really stunk. The difference is in how the “tradition” has changed in earning, keeping, turning in, etc etc. give them out, let the players ability and their coaching decide what their Blackshirt really means...during their time renting them. My final thought is that once Frost can get the offensive players he wants, mostly because the top players will want to come here, the defense can recruit its players and get who they want because of the attraction of playing for a fierce defense with a new attitude and direction. Offensive players we want will just start to come here. We can then focus real attention on the defense. The Blackshirt tradition will ride because they’ll be chosen to be Blackshirts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
broganreynik Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said: Yes, I most certainly do, sir. The Blackshirts are: The Husker Defenders - the first line of defense - our Marines - our leathernecks. It is not just 'the starters' but those who are the members of the first platoon of defense. Our defense today will consist in my opinion based on what we've seen of Frost and Chin etal is a platoon of mean, hungry, hard charging players who will go in there and fight and die trying to stop and stuff the opponent's offense and get the ball back for our offense. In my view it is not 'just the names of those who play the first snap of the first game on defense = evidence by I believe Frost has around 14 already. I recall Blackshirts be given out by Osborne and McBride a time or two for the punter, for example. It is deemed a great honor to 'get' the Blackshirt as that signifies you as one of the best Husker warriors on the team. ...and 25 or so are considered our “first platoon”? I’m lucky my eyes could see my screen to type that; if they rolled any more they would’ve gone into the Missoura. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Landlord said: Which further enforces the idea that it's a good idea to make your players 'earn' blackshirts in year one or two but will not be as smart the further into a tenure you go. Um ... no. How fans react to something is a loooooooong ways down the list of why coaches and teams should do something. 1 Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mavric said: Um ... no. How fans react to something is a loooooooong ways down the list of why coaches and teams should do something. Eh. Fan reaction was a pretty big reason why the last three coaches were fired. Fans have a say. Without the fans, UNL is no different than UNK. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
macroboy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 But they handed out more than 11. Don't they understand tradition? 2 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, knapplc said: Eh. Fan reaction was a pretty big reason why the last three coaches were fired. Fans have a say. Without the fans, UNL is no different than UNK. That's a reaction to the overall success of the program. In that respect, it's taken into account. How you do one specific thing in how you practice? Not so much. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mavric said: That's a reaction to the overall success of the program. In that respect, it's taken into account. How you do one specific thing in how you practice? Not so much. Not as much for something like this, sure. But every decision they make will have a fan reaction component to it. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, knapplc said: Not as much for something like this, sure. But every decision they make will have a fan reaction component to it. Every decision will have a fan reaction. Not every fan reaction should influence what you do. 1 Quote Link to comment
30-50 Feral Hogs Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm sure they saw how often the last 2 coaches and numerous DC's were asked about them week in and week out and figured the sooner they handed them out, the sooner they didn't have to take that question. Quote Link to comment
WildBillMoos Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, 30-50 Feral Hogs said: I'm sure they saw how often the last 2 coaches and numerous DC's were asked about them week in and week out and figured the sooner they handed them out, the sooner they didn't have to take that question. Never forget Bo Pelini making them 'earn the blackshirts' for half a season then giving up 70 points in a conference title game. Quote Link to comment
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