The George Floyd/Black Lives Matter protests and police conduct

[RedDenver]

 

[BigRedBuster]

OK, Rocket Surgeon.....Throw away your job and career because you just can't handle not seeing the confederate flag at races.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nascar/news/nascar-driver-ray-ciccarelli-says-hes-leaving-at-end-of-the-season-citing-disagreement-with-flag/

 

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NASCAR driver Ray Ciccarelli announced on his Facebook Wednesday that he intends on leaving the sport at the end of the season. His biggest issue appears to be a disagreement with the direction that things are heading. This decision comes in the wake of NASCAR allowing on-track personnel to kneel during the national anthem, Bubba Wallace driving a car that says Black Lives Matter on it and the sport banning the Confederate flag from races.

 

[BigRedBuster]

10 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

 

Wow...wow...wow.....

[Guy Chamberlin]

This was posted by my Congressman, who reminds us that the Confederacy wasn't exactly nuanced in its objectives:

 

Confederate statues should have been removed from the US Capitol about 150 years ago. It is disgraceful that traitors are still honored in Statuary Hall - right next to patriots and great Americans like Rosa Parks, Sojourner Truth and Helen Keller. Among them are Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens, President and VP of the Confederate States of America. On the very day in 1861 when these men betrayed their country to defend slavery, Stephens bluntly stated they did so because they rejected the basic American premise that all men are created equal. Instead, he argued: "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Now investigators believe two of the cop killings since rioting began were premeditated by a white Air Force sergeant — an active military guy leading a special security unit, who according to his Facebook posts had become incensed by the recent show of police brutality.

 

He lost his wife two years ago in an apparent suicide. Which they are now inclined to re-investigate. 

 

I don't think there's much to learn from it, but it's a curious mash-up of suspects and motives.

 

Most interesting sidebar: this elite Air Force security officer has just killed a cop and is trying to flee. He confronts a local man in his yard wearing an AK-47 across his chest and holding a pipe bomb. The unarmed local man wrestles him to the ground and subdues him. Asks not to be named or honored.

 

https://abc7.com/ben-lomond-shooting-santa-cruz-deputy-killed-steven-carrillo-carillo/6237759/

[Guy Chamberlin]

And while there's no defending Confederate leaders and Confederate symbols......uhm....George Washington and Thomas Jefferson OWNED slaves. 

 

It's a bit awkward. 

[ZRod]

2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

And while there's no defending Confederate leaders and Confederate symbols......uhm....George Washington and Thomas Jefferson OWNED slaves. 

 

It's a bit awkward. 

While the Confederacy may not have been so nuanced, many of the founding fathers were. There's something to be said about trying to morally judge people from the past with today's norms. They were after all born into a society that fully believed in and was economically bound by slavery.

 

Jefferson spoke out against the international slave trade and banned it as President. He also freed some of his slaves, but believed them to be inferior. Washington had his slaves freed in his will when he and Martha died.

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, ZRod said:

While the Confederacy may not have been so nuanced, many of the founding fathers were. There's something to be said about trying to morally judge people from the past with today's norms. They were after all born into a society that fully believed in and was economically bound by slavery.

 

Jefferson spoke out against the international slave trade and and banned it as President. He also freed some of his slaves, but believed them to be inferior. Washington had his slaves freed in his will when he and Martha died.

Don’t forget to add Jefferson’s love story. 

[RedDenver]

 

[RedDenver]

 

[TGHusker]

 

Lincoln project responding to:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-renaming-confederate-military-bases_n_5ee13407c5b6495f42efb5cb

 

 

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President Donald Trump said Wednesday he “will not even consider” renaming military bases named for Confederate generals, claiming it would be a disrespect to the armed forces. 

Trump, in remarks he tweeted and directed press secretary Kayleigh McEnany to read at a White House press briefing, did not acknowledge that the bases are named for men who fought during the Civil War to preserve the enslavement of Black people ― America’s “original sin” that still affects the life of Black Americans today. 

“These monumental and very powerful bases have become part of a great American heritage, and a history of winning, victory and freedom,” Trump tweeted and McEnany echoed at the briefing after White House officials took the unusual move of passing out copies of the remarks. 

 

 

 

 

[TGHusker]

 

Lincoln project responding to:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-renaming-confederate-military-bases_n_5ee13407c5b6495f42efb5cb

 

 

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President Donald Trump said Wednesday he “will not even consider” renaming military bases named for Confederate generals, claiming it would be a disrespect to the armed forces. 

Trump, in remarks he tweeted and directed press secretary Kayleigh McEnany to read at a White House press briefing, did not acknowledge that the bases are named for men who fought during the Civil War to preserve the enslavement of Black people ― America’s “original sin” that still affects the life of Black Americans today. 

“These monumental and very powerful bases have become part of a great American heritage, and a history of winning, victory and freedom,” Trump tweeted and McEnany echoed at the briefing after White House officials took the unusual move of passing out copies of the remarks. 

 

 

 

 

[TGHusker]

Just a rouge thought here and a thought that is only feasible if we ever became a 3rd world country:  If ever there was a time for the military to take action by removing a president.......and restore proper civilian control (President San Fran Nan) ......  4 years ago I never would have said such a thing.  But  Trump has made us a 3rd world country and he mimics 3rd world dictators      SO WHAT IS THE BETTER WAY IN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC :  IMPEACHMENT.  YET OUR GOP SENATORS FAILED WHEN CALLED UPON TO FULFILL THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES.    I'm thinking that if they had removed Trump, we'd still have Pence and I would hope Pence would have been more compassionate during this racial crisis and during the pandemic.   SPEAKING OF PENCE- where has he been.  Pretty quiet.  Maybe Trump will replace him with Nikki Haley to shake up the race??

 

 

[RedDenver]

25 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

If ever there was a time for the military to take action by removing a president.......and restore proper civilian control (President San Fran Nan) ......  4 years ago I never would have said such a thing.  But  Trump has made us a 3rd world country and he mimics 3rd world dictators  

 

 

I'm not sure if you're serious, but the military should NOT remove an elected leader. It's one thing to refuse his orders if they are unconstitutional, but the military taking control of the state is a TERRIBLE idea.

[teachercd]

3 hours ago, ZRod said:

While the Confederacy may not have been so nuanced, many of the founding fathers were. There's something to be said about trying to morally judge people from the past with today's norms. They were after all born into a society that fully believed in and was economically bound by slavery.

 

Jefferson spoke out against the international slave trade and banned it as President. He also freed some of his slaves, but believed them to be inferior. Washington had his slaves freed in his will when he and Martha died.

Yeah, I agree and really, where do you draw the line as a "bad guy"

 

Is JFK bad because he cheated his way through college, came from a family of bootleggers, loved coke and cheating on his wife?