The 2024 Presidential Election- The LONG General Election

[Archy1221]

2 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

 

 

Molly might have said one of the dumbest things I’ve heard on States Rights. 

[JJ Husker]

1 hour ago, commando said:

he got that angry over a 5 day suspension from the force for creeping on high school girls?   he must be working on his street cred to get a promotion in the trump campaign

I thought creeping on adolescent girls would be a prerequisite to even get hired on to the Trump campaign? One of those bare necessity low bar things to make sure you’re ready for whatever DJT may ask of you.

[Lorewarn]

2 hours ago, teachercd said:

Yes, and they all lived in red districts and moved to blue?  

 

 

You are overthinking it...you don't need to do that.  This election was over a very long time ago.

 

 

Nope, an even smaller tinier percentage, which makes the likelihood of it being a factor more realistic, not less.

[Lorewarn]

edit: double post

[teachercd]

6 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

edit: double post

Double post!  I am reporting this!  Ha 

[nic]

Just covering their bases or expecting a Trump victory?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/11/politics/european-diplomats-scramble-access-trump-allies/index.html

 

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

16 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I’m not so sure about that. 

At least of trends continue as they were from 2012->2016->2020.

 

Political realignment on education has caused former swing states like Iowa, Ohio and Florida to no longer be competitive. It seems that, unless something drastic happens, other states like Wisconsin will soon be as competitive as Iowa. The question is when Wisconsin crossesover to "unwinnable". It may be there now, but certainly by 2028 is going to be a hard state for Democrats to win.

12 hours ago, teachercd said:

Yes, and they all lived in red districts and moved to blue?  

 

 

You are overthinking it...you don't need to do that.  This election was over a very long time ago.

I think it's a pretty well known phenomenon that Americans are moving to a small handful of cities, mostly in the south. Cities like Atlanta, Phoenix, and huge swaths of Texas are exploding. As a result, they are turning the partisan lean of those states Blue.

 

The question is if the red tilt of the states in the upper Midwest is happening faster than the blue tilt in the south.

[knapplc]

 

[TGHusker]

2 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

I hope Trump arrogantly and foolishly agrees to a debate or two.

 

[Archy1221]

 

[Crusader Husker]

I am sure this has been asked already, I just don't know the answer...

 

So, since we are dealing with old, senile candidates.  What happens if one or both of these guys die before the election?  What is the process?

[TGHusker]

1 hour ago, Crusader Husker said:

I am sure this has been asked already, I just don't know the answer...

 

So, since we are dealing with old, senile candidates.  What happens if one or both of these guys die before the election?  What is the process?

 

Mr Google found this: 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-cannot-take-office-due-to-death-or-incapacitation-before-january-2025/

 

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If the candidate dies or is incapacitated between mid-June 2024 when the primaries are over and before the Wednesday night of the nominating convention (the traditional time for the roll call vote) the convention would become what conventions used to be before reforms made the primaries dominant (minus the smoke-filled rooms.) Delegates would arrive in Milwaukee (for the Republicans) or Chicago (for the Democrats) largely uncommitted. They would then engage in the arduous process of deciding who their nominee should be. Presidential hopefuls would go from state delegation to state delegation making their case as did Sen. John Kennedy and Sen. Lyndon Johnson as recently as the 1960 convention in Los Angeles. The Republicans may have to adopt a new rule at the beginning of their convention so that the dead man’s delegates would be free. The Democrats have a rule saying that delegates shall “in all good conscience” vote for the person they were elected to represent — so they would most likely not need a rules change.

If the Republican candidate dies or is incapacitated after the convention and before Election Day, the Republican National Committee (RNC) will meet to select a presidential candidate and/or vice-presidential candidate under Rule 9 of party rules.

Since every state has three RNC members and then some add-ons for Republican elected officials the states are not apportioned according to population — thus RNC members will cast the same number of votes as their state was entitled to cast at the convention and a new nominee will be selected by majority vote.

And yet, it is a reminder that the choice of a nominee is party business — not state law, not federal law, and not constitutional law.

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is also authorized to select the party’s nominee in the event that the winner of the convention cannot run. This is spelled out in the charter of the Democrat Party. However, since DNC members are awarded to states according to the size of the states, there would be no adjustments.

This has actually happened only once before. After the 1972 convention, revelations came out that George McGovern’s running mate Sen. Tom Eagleton, had been treated for mental illness. Eagleton was forced to resign from the ticket and McGovern chose Sargent Shriver as his replacement. But McGovern alone could not place Shriver on the ticket with him, it needed to be ratified by the full DNC. And so, on August 9, 1972, the DNC chair, Jean Westwood, called the national committee into session to officially nominate Shriver as McGovern’s running mate.

The authority of the national parties to choose their nominee in the event the nominee can’t run comes as a surprise to many in this day of wall-to-wall primaries. And yet, it is a reminder that the choice of a nominee is party business — not state law, not federal law, and not constitutional law.

Both Democrats and Republicans have sets of rules governing the functioning of their national committees and the nomination of the president and the vice president. In most cases the Supreme Court has upheld the primacy of political parties under the First Amendment’s right of free association.

If the candidate 

dies or is incapacitated after Election Day, the Constitution kicks in. The first milestone will be the  meetings of the electoral college. It may surprise many to know that the electoral college is composed of real flesh and blood electors who meet in their state capitols and sign documents (attestations) that are forwarded on to the president of the Senate (the vice president) for the purposes of counting only! We only hear about electors when someone decides to make a point and vote for someone whose slate they were not on. (During segregation some of these so-called “faithless electors” voted for segregationist candidates.¹) Some states have laws binding electors to vote for the winner of the election, others do not. If the winner of the convention dies or is incapacitated it is likely that the legislature would quickly meet to amend the law so that their votes would count.

Finally, what if the president-elect dies or is incapacitated after the electoral college meets and before the inauguration? The authors of the 20^th Amendment to the Constitution, the one adopted to provide for a way to pick a new vice president, thought of this. If the president-elect dies or is incapacitated the vice president is inaugurated. Section 3 of the 20^th Amendment reads:

“If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.”

The long process of choosing a president begins with political parties — organizations that the Founding Fathers didn’t put into the Constitution because there were no party systems at the time, and they would have been surprised at the emergence of mass parties. But they were prescient in protecting the right of assembly and the right to petition the government under the First Amendment — rights carried out most often by political parties. Protected by the First Amendment, America’s two major political parties have evolved over the years. Today they each have a set of rules and procedures to take into account even the most dramatic and difficult scenarios.

 

 

[Danny Bateman]

On 4/12/2024 at 9:07 AM, Archy1221 said:

 

 

This dude makes the stupidest f#&%ing arguments. Just ignoring the elephant in the room so he can advance his bulls#!t argument.

 

Pound sand antivax boy.

[BigRedBuster]

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

On 4/12/2024 at 8:07 AM, Archy1221 said:

 

I understand that being grifted into voting for Trump twice had caused you to undergo bizarre, reality altering views of the world in order to reconcile your support for embarrassing morons who hate America and also happen to be anti-democracy criminals.

 

But my God, posting RFK Jr. videos after Trump is facing 14 criminal indictments for interfering in Georgia's election and in federal elections. The cases are ongoing... and guess who's fault it is? VOTERS LIKE YOU for supporting him. 

 

We need to collectively stop coddling these voters who live in rural states and collectively place proper blame that they've given rise to Trump. These people need to be regarded with mocking and derision.