Archy1221 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Isn't it Republicans that always say protesters should go get jobs because anyone with all that time must not want to work? Maybe they are remote workers 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Yep, they want the military to be involved. Allen West doubles down https://www.texasgop.org/chairman-wests-monday-message-for-12-14-20/ 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Smartmatic demands a retraction from Fox over the voting machine falsehoods pushed by the network anchors. Next stage in this post election season: Lawsuit time. I wonder how many lawsuits will come out of Trump's attempts to rig the election results. https://www.mediaite.com/news/smartmatic-demands-fox-news-retract-false-and-defamatory-election-conspiracies-pushed-by-bartiromo-dobbs-giuliani-powell/ Quote Smartmatic, a voting technology firm that has been the subject of conspiracy theories involving the 2020 presidential election, has sent demands for retractions to Fox News, Newsmax and OAN for airing “false and defamatory statements” about the company. In a lengthy legal notice sent on to Fox News — and obtained by Mediaite — Smartmatic demanded the retraction of dozens of comments made by hosts Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, as well as Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, who appeared frequently as guests on the network. Voting machine manufacturers have been the subject of rampant conspiracy theories since President Donald Trump and his legal team began their half-baked assault on the 2020 election. Smartmatic, a voting technology firm used in elections around the world, has been one of the most intensely targeted companies. Many of the allegations against the firm have been debunked, but are still spread by Trump loyalists on sympathetic news networks. Some of the nuttier claims pushed by Trump lawyers like Rudy Giuliani held that Dominion Voting Systems was a front for Smartmatic, which was being used to flip millions of votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden, in a conspiracy orchestrated by George Soros and the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez. Despite being the subject of such a vast conspiracy to steal the presidency from Trump, Smartmatic said in a statement that it was barely involved in the 2020 U.S. election, working in just one single county: Los Angeles County. 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, TGHusker said: Smartmatic demands a retraction from Fox over the voting machine falsehoods pushed by the network anchors. Next stage in this post election season: Lawsuit time. I wonder how many lawsuits will come out of Trump's attempts to rig the election results. https://www.mediaite.com/news/smartmatic-demands-fox-news-retract-false-and-defamatory-election-conspiracies-pushed-by-bartiromo-dobbs-giuliani-powell/ I was thinking about the Dominion company a few days ago wondering what's going through their heads. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Trump's alt electors explained: Milk the faithful cultists for more money. Trump has to find a way to pay off those $400m in bank loans. This seems to be his plan. https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral-college-trump-biden-stephen-miller Quote “As we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we’re going to send those results up to Congress,” Miller said. “This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open.” And Trump’s chosen electors did indeed meet in states including Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan to cast their votes for Trump — though some involved tried to downplay the significance of this move, calling it merely a legal formality. In fact, it’s a legally frivolous and baseless action. The legitimate and legally recognized electors in states Biden won have had their appointments certified by each state governor, in accordance with the vote totals in each state. The president’s “alternate” electors were acting with no legal authority whatsoever, apparently because Trump doesn’t want to acknowledge the election is over and that he’s lost. The move is a preview of further shenanigans when Congress meets to count the electoral votes on January 6 — the final constitutional step before the winner is inaugurated. There, Trump allies plan to file challenges to the results in states Biden won. Yet those challenges will fail because Democrats will control the House. So overall, any “alternate slate of electors” should mainly be understood as a stunt, to deceive Trump’s voters into thinking he still has a chance and keep the grift (and massive fundraising) that accompanies that deception going for another few weeks. Quote This sets up more stunts for when Congress counts the electoral votes in January On January 6, 2021, a joint session of the newly elected Congress will convene to count the votes cast by the Electoral College. This congressional count is the final formal step in making the presidential election results official before the inauguration itself. The 12th Amendment to the Constitution says that Congress — led by Vice President Mike Pence, in his role as president of the Senate — is supposed to “open all the certificates” of electoral votes sent by states, and “the votes shall then be counted.” Eventually, Congress became an arena for resolving disputes over the presidential election’s outcome — particularly in the infamously disputed election of 1876. Subsequently, Congress passed the Electoral Count Act to try to shift more responsibility for settling results to the states, but it also set up a procedure by which members of Congress could challenge results in particular states. Under this process, if at least one House member and one senator object to the results in any state, each chamber will hold a vote on the matter. For the objection to succeed, both the House and the Senate must vote in favor of it. Otherwise, it fails. (And since Democrats will control the new House, any objection to Biden’s win will surely fail in that chamber. Failure in the Senate is also a strong possibility, since several Republican senators have acknowledged that Biden won.) The nightmare scenarios for a post-election dispute — like this one written last year by Ned Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University — often focused on how Congress might settle things if they got two slates of electors from a contested state, one certified by the governor and one by the state legislature. Which elector slate would be the “default” one? Would Pence end up making the final call? If he did so, and Congress was divided, who could stop him? There are various messy possibilities as to how this could play out. But that’s not the situation that’s unfolding. For the 2020 election, every governor has certified a result, and no state legislature has disputed that result. So maybe the Trump campaign will try to “send” their own results up to Congress somehow, as Miller claimed. But under the Electoral Count Act (which deals with the scenario where “more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received”), it’s difficult to see how the alternate results could possibly be counted, unless Republicans decide to unilaterally declare they won’t follow this provision of the Electoral Count Act because they believe it to be unconstitutional, or something. The person who will truly be in an awkward position on January 6 is Vice President Pence. He’s of course not the first veep to preside over the tense election of the opposing party’s candidate — Vice President Biden did it for Trump in 2016, and Vice President Al Gore did it for his own opponent in 2000. But both Hillary Clinton and Gore had conceded by then. If Trump hasn’t yet conceded, he and his allies will likely try to pressure Pence to somehow interfere with the congressional counting process, even though Pence’s role is widely understood as mostly ceremonial. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 @Archy1221 I have a serious question for you. You have stated that you support Trump because you support his stance on issues. You also say you don't support his actions since the election and believe Biden won. So...seeing his continued actions trying to sew discontent and doubt in the election process, are you starting to believe he's not the right person to lead the US as President even though you support his stance on issues? 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: @Archy1221 I have a serious question for you. You have stated that you support Trump because you support his stance on issues. You also say you don't support his actions since the election and believe Biden won. So...seeing his continued actions trying to sew discontent and doubt in the election process, are you starting to believe he's not the right person to lead the US as President even though you support his stance on issues? He lost so he isn’t the right person the lead the country in 2021 1 1 Link to comment
schriznoeder Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Wow, some members of the newest congressional freshman class are flat-out DUMB. *NOTE: This tweet was deleted, but I managed to find a screen shot. So maybe I'll give Miss Boebert the benefit of the doubt this one time. Maybe... 2 Link to comment
commando Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, schriznoeder said: Wow, some members of the newest congressional freshman class are flat-out DUMB. *NOTE: This tweet was deleted, but I managed to find a screen shot. So maybe I'll give Miss Boebert the benefit of the doubt this one time. Maybe... they are part of the con. they know that this is the way the electoral college works...but if they say crap like this it riles up their "base". and we all know it's all about that base. 4 Link to comment
knapplc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, commando said: they are part of the con. they know that this is the way the electoral college works...but if they say crap like this it riles up their "base". and we all know it's all about that base. It's sad how easily that base allows itself to be fooled. 3 Link to comment
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