Who Won? Debate #1

[zoogs]

I feel pretty confident in saying he would come off the least crazy

[Minnesota_husker]

 

I feel pretty confident in saying he would come off the least crazy

 

I stand by what i said:

 

 

 

[zoogs]

What a country. Donald's making faces, Hillary's getting startled by balloons, and Gary Johnson's wagging his tongue at reporters. The world is going crazy!

[Danny Bateman]

Minne, Johnson is like Sanders socially. He seems like an entirely reasonable, good-hearted dude.

 

Economically, he's the anti-Sanders. They couldn't be mor diametrically opposed. Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. Johnson is a completely free-market guy. I disagree with that, and his stance on climate change is really disappointing. A "meh, the Sun's going to go out someday anyway" position is just incredibly disappointing from him. Between him and Trump announcing today he doesn't think climate change is man made, it appears there's only one candidate who believes in science.

 

I also don't like a completely free-market system. But that's neither here nor there. He IS an awkward debater, so I don't know if he'd help himself too much there. But he IS there for the folks who realize Trump is indeed an idiot and just can't bring themselves to not hate Clinton.

 

Will he watching his poll #s closely. They've dropped in some recent polls. Typically they drop off after you miss a debate, and lower steadily until Election Day. Let's see.

[MLB 51]

Can you add the option: I won, because I didn't watch?

[Moiraine]

[BigRedBuster]

 

I feel pretty confident in saying he would come off the least crazy

 

I have supported Johnson being in the debates. But....dang.....that's funny.

[Moiraine]

I also don't like a completely free-market system.

 

 

 

Trump:

 

But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn’t get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation. Now, if you want to change the laws, you’ve been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company.

 

I’m going to cut regulations.

 

 

Clinton talks about Trump stiffing people he had business relationships with. Companies can do a hell of a lot worse than stiff people when we cut regulations. They already try to get around them and people are often hurt (or killed) because of it.

[Moiraine]

We buy products for our military and they come in at costs that are so far above what they were supposed to be, because we don’t have people that know what they’re doing. When we look at the budget, the budget is bad to a large extent because we have people that have no idea as to what to do and how to buy.

 

 

Trump is either naive, stupid, or doesn't actually believe this. In some cases people probably don't know what they're doing. But in a lot of cases they're just being paid off. Someone linked a story here awhile back, and I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands of others like it, about how we keep manufacturing an old tank even though the people in the military keep telling the politicians we don't need it. The reason we keep making it is because the company that makes the tank pays the politicians to make sure it's kept in production.

[Danny Bateman]

 

We buy products for our military and they come in at costs that are so far above what they were supposed to be, because we don’t have people that know what they’re doing. When we look at the budget, the budget is bad to a large extent because we have people that have no idea as to what to do and how to buy.

 

 

Trump is either naive, stupid, or doesn't actually believe this. In some cases people probably don't know what they're doing. But in a lot of cases they're just being paid off. Someone linked a story here awhile back, and I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands of others like it, about how we keep manufacturing an old tank even though the people in the military keep telling the politicians we don't need it. The reason we keep making it is because the company that makes the tank pays the politicians to make sure it's kept in production.

 

 

He could've framed this as an attack on pols taking a slice off the top at the expense of the rest of the country. But he didn't do. That is one of Trump's problems... he views every type of policy as transaction-- because that's what he's used to.

 

We pay too much for NATO? Bad. We have large trade deficits? Free trade is bad. (My understanding is that a deficit is not in itself bad, though we are being harmed by our trade imbalance with China). Federal agencies? Waste of money. Obamacare? Too expensive.

 

While there's some truth to each of these, the situation is much more nuanced than that. He doesn't seem to care about the loss of tangible benefits and degradation of quality of something if a move could save money.

 

One of the things I appreciate about Clinton is that she actually has a nuanced view of things instead of this simplistic type of filter Trump sees everything through.

[QMany]

[BigRedBuster]

They might want to send a memo to Trump.

[HuskerNation1]

It looks like Hillary lost some supporters in North Carolina after Monday's debate.

 

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article104382951.html

[funhusker]

Not a political guy most times, but people dont like either option yet a guy like Gary Johnson isnt even given a chance to debate even though he is polling as high as 15% in multiple states.

 

I doubt the guy wins, but for people clambering for another option, this is it.

 

 

He is very similar to Bernie Sanders in some aspects and I assume Clinton is terrified he will steal votes from her.

Which ones?

[Undone]

 

But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn’t get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation. Now, if you want to change the laws, you’ve been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company.

 

Yes. Trump is the quintessential crony capitalist. He's despicable on every level for that fact.

 

And of course, the non-thinking majority of the people that voted for him don't even know what "Crony Capitalism" is and why it's so bad.