If the Election was Today

[Landlord]

My point still stands as well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Folks, like yourself, would be using that against Trump if the role was flipped. Just because someone endorses someone doesn't mean that person necessarily cares if they endorse them or not. Speaking of disavowed, hasn't Trump said he doesn't want their endorsement before? I would also venture to guess that historically speaking the KKK has probably endorsed the Republican side of things rather than the Democrat side of things.

 

 

 

This is different than that and you know it.

 

 

Maybe Trump has said he doesn't want it, although I haven't heard that. However, he continues to follow and retweet white supremacists twitter accounts. Trump's rhetoric and policies and decades of documented behavior match up with white nationalism. Hillary's don't.

[TGHusker]

Trump is beating the drum that the election is rigged. Well here are 2 that agree with him coming from 2 different perspectives & one that disagrees

 

George Will, from a conservative perspective

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/george-will-donald-trump-right-elections/2016/10/17/id/753906/#ixzz4NS0Qeix1

 

Mr. Trump has a point if he would make it more clearly," he said. "It's hard to think of an innocent reason why Democrats spend so much time, energy and money, scarce resources, resisting attempts to purge the voter rolls, remove people who are dead or have left the jurisdiction. It's hard to think of an innocent reason why they fight so tremendously against voter I.D. laws."

It is a known fact, Will said, that in 2010, 2012 and 2014 the elections were rigged by the Internal Revenue Service delaying tax-exempt status to conservative groups. In

fact, the IRS still is delaying the status to right-leaning organizations, he said.

 

Pat Buchanan - always good for a fire brand comment - from the far right, nationalism perspective

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/is-the-system-rigged-you-betcha/

 

NY Times refutes

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/NY-Times-GOP-Disavow-Trump/2016/10/18/id/753969/

[BIGREDIOWAN]

Trump is beating the drum that the election is rigged. Well here are 2 that agree with him coming from 2 different perspectives & one that disagrees

 

George Will, from a conservative perspective

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/george-will-donald-trump-right-elections/2016/10/17/id/753906/#ixzz4NS0Qeix1

 

Mr. Trump has a point if he would make it more clearly," he said. "It's hard to think of an innocent reason why Democrats spend so much time, energy and money, scarce resources, resisting attempts to purge the voter rolls, remove people who are dead or have left the jurisdiction. It's hard to think of an innocent reason why they fight so tremendously against voter I.D. laws."

It is a known fact, Will said, that in 2010, 2012 and 2014 the elections were rigged by the Internal Revenue Service delaying tax-exempt status to conservative groups. In

fact, the IRS still is delaying the status to right-leaning organizations, he said.

 

 

 

Pat Buchanan - always good for a fire brand comment - from the far right, nationalism perspective

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/is-the-system-rigged-you-betcha/

 

NY Times refutes

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/NY-Times-GOP-Disavow-Trump/2016/10/18/id/753969/

Here's another one, our governor here in Iowa talked about this the other day. Surprised he came out and agreed with him on some level.

 

http://wqad.com/2016/10/17/iowa-gov-terry-branstad-sticking-with-trumps-claim-the-election-is-rigged/

[SandhillshuskerW]

The only reason hillary is winning this election is because the republican voters nominated the most pathetic candidate known to man. One who is absolutely so unfit to serve that he has to revert to claims of cheating and voter fraud to explain why he is losing.

 

Hilary is pathetic in her own way and I can't vote for her.

 

Third party??? I'm more than willing to vote third party but haven't been able to find one that fits my beliefs.

 

Fact is...there is no beating Hillary now (thanks republican voters).

 

Conservative voters need to be doing some real soul searching instead of ranting like spoiled two year olds because they lost.

I would plus 1 this a million times if I could. I have said it many times, if a qualified candidate was running against Hillary she would be losing big time. It's just too bad that Trump had to throw his hat in the ring. Hillary is an awful person and I don't really want that family anywhere near the White House again. I don't want Trump anywhere near it either though. Our only hope is to survive the next 4 years and hopefully have someone step up that would be qualified to run this country.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

The only reason hillary is winning this election is because the republican voters nominated the most pathetic candidate known to man. One who is absolutely so unfit to serve that he has to revert to claims of cheating and voter fraud to explain why he is losing.

 

Hilary is pathetic in her own way and I can't vote for her.

 

Third party??? I'm more than willing to vote third party but haven't been able to find one that fits my beliefs.

 

Fact is...there is no beating Hillary now (thanks republican voters).

 

Conservative voters need to be doing some real soul searching instead of ranting like spoiled two year olds because they lost.

I would plus 1 this a million times if I could. I have said it many times, if a qualified candidate was running against Hillary she would be losing big time. It's just too bad that Trump had to throw his hat in the ring. Hillary is an awful person and I don't really want that family anywhere near the White House again. I don't want Trump anywhere near it either though. Our only hope is to survive the next 4 years and hopefully have someone step up that would be qualified to run this country.

 

Check out Evan McMullin's page if you want.

[SandhillshuskerW]

 

 

The only reason hillary is winning this election is because the republican voters nominated the most pathetic candidate known to man. One who is absolutely so unfit to serve that he has to revert to claims of cheating and voter fraud to explain why he is losing.

 

Hilary is pathetic in her own way and I can't vote for her.

 

Third party??? I'm more than willing to vote third party but haven't been able to find one that fits my beliefs.

 

Fact is...there is no beating Hillary now (thanks republican voters).

 

Conservative voters need to be doing some real soul searching instead of ranting like spoiled two year olds because they lost.

I would plus 1 this a million times if I could. I have said it many times, if a qualified candidate was running against Hillary she would be losing big time. It's just too bad that Trump had to throw his hat in the ring. Hillary is an awful person and I don't really want that family anywhere near the White House again. I don't want Trump anywhere near it either though. Our only hope is to survive the next 4 years and hopefully have someone step up that would be qualified to run this country.

 

Check out Evan McMullin's page if you want.

 

I have looked in to him a little bit, but not that much. Unfortunately I just don't see anyone having a chance other than Trump or Hillary. It would be great to have one year where an Independent or another third party would get in to shake things up a little bit. I think our congress needs a wake up call.

[knapplc]

 

The only reason hillary is winning this election is because the republican voters nominated the most pathetic candidate known to man. One who is absolutely so unfit to serve that he has to revert to claims of cheating and voter fraud to explain why he is losing.

 

Hilary is pathetic in her own way and I can't vote for her.

 

Third party??? I'm more than willing to vote third party but haven't been able to find one that fits my beliefs.

 

Fact is...there is no beating Hillary now (thanks republican voters).

 

Conservative voters need to be doing some real soul searching instead of ranting like spoiled two year olds because they lost.

I would plus 1 this a million times if I could. I have said it many times, if a qualified candidate was running against Hillary she would be losing big time. It's just too bad that Trump had to throw his hat in the ring. Hillary is an awful person and I don't really want that family anywhere near the White House again. I don't want Trump anywhere near it either though. Our only hope is to survive the next 4 years and hopefully have someone step up that would be qualified to run this country.

 

 

Maybe it'll come out after our lifetimes, when we're all dead & buried, but I maintain that Trump HAS ALWAYS been a Clinton tool to throw the Republican candidates into disarray. The fact that he became the actual nominee was icing on the cake.

 

 

We're seeing a steady stream of campaign-killing information about Trump, and that's going to continue. If it looks like he might win, somewhere near a week before the election I expect him to drop out. He's going to do everything he can to get Clinton elected.

 

 

 

I don't care if people think I'm a nutter. Maybe I am a nutter. History will prove me right.

[Guy Chamberlin]

The two biggest arguments hung around Hillary Clinton's neck are Benghazi and the email server.

 

That would have been just another week in the Bush administration, another blip on the news cycle. And that's not really conjecture. The same people who clutch their pearls about Benghazi were oddly silent during the Iraq debacle. They also have a lot of the facts wrong, but whatever.

 

You don't have to love Hillary Clinton. I don't. But you should be aware that much of the hate and outrage against her has been orchestrated and paid for by people with their own wildly unethical standards.

 

Interestingly enough, a lot of the private money opposing HIllary never wanted Donald Trump anywhere near the White House, but whoops...

 

If Donald Trump thinks he's been unfairly scrutinized and attacked these past 18 months, he should walk a mile in Hillary Clinton's pantsuit.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

The only reason hillary is winning this election is because the republican voters nominated the most pathetic candidate known to man. One who is absolutely so unfit to serve that he has to revert to claims of cheating and voter fraud to explain why he is losing.

 

Hilary is pathetic in her own way and I can't vote for her.

 

Third party??? I'm more than willing to vote third party but haven't been able to find one that fits my beliefs.

 

Fact is...there is no beating Hillary now (thanks republican voters).

 

Conservative voters need to be doing some real soul searching instead of ranting like spoiled two year olds because they lost.

I would plus 1 this a million times if I could. I have said it many times, if a qualified candidate was running against Hillary she would be losing big time. It's just too bad that Trump had to throw his hat in the ring. Hillary is an awful person and I don't really want that family anywhere near the White House again. I don't want Trump anywhere near it either though. Our only hope is to survive the next 4 years and hopefully have someone step up that would be qualified to run this country.

 

 

Maybe it'll come out after our lifetimes, when we're all dead & buried, but I maintain that Trump HAS ALWAYS been a Clinton tool to throw the Republican candidates into disarray. The fact that he became the actual nominee was icing on the cake.

 

 

We're seeing a steady stream of campaign-killing information about Trump, and that's going to continue. If it looks like he might win, somewhere near a week before the election I expect him to drop out. He's going to do everything he can to get Clinton elected.

 

 

 

I don't care if people think I'm a nutter. Maybe I am a nutter. History will prove me right.

 

 

This has always been a fun theory, and it makes a bit of sense from one perspective.

 

But it doesn't align with anything in Donald Trump's personality. Oh....unless you mean unwitting tool. I don't believe Donald Trump wants to see Hillary Clinton elected, because it requires him being among the biggest losers in American history.

 

Occam's Razor and a bunch of evidence says Donald Trump wanted leverage in his new contract with ABC and/or loved the attention the last time he ran for President. So he recruited a small campaign staff with the goal of securing around 10% of the Primary vote and winning a state or two before dropping out of the race (fact!) and declaring everyone else a loser (informed conjecture) then using the publicity to further build his brand.

 

As savvy as the Clinton's might be, I don't know any seasoned political observers or pollsters who thought Trump's 2016 foray would go any different than his 2012 foray.

 

At best, it appears that Bill Clinton did tell his social chum Donald Trump that he ought to run for President. If the Clinton's have been smirking ever since, you can't blame them.

[knapplc]

William of Ockham had a beard. True story.

[SandhillshuskerW]

The two biggest arguments hung around Hillary Clinton's neck are Benghazi and the email server.

 

That would have been just another week in the Bush administration, another blip on the news cycle. And that's not really conjecture. The same people who clutch their pearls about Benghazi were oddly silent during the Iraq debacle. They also have a lot of the facts wrong, but whatever.

 

You don't have to love Hillary Clinton. I don't. But you should be aware that much of the hate and outrage against her has been orchestrated and paid for by people with their own wildly unethical standards.

 

Interestingly enough, a lot of the private money opposing HIllary never wanted Donald Trump anywhere near the White House, but whoops...

 

If Donald Trump thinks he's been unfairly scrutinized and attacked these past 18 months, he should walk a mile in Hillary Clinton's pantsuit.

Those are merely two things about Hillary that I don't like. She is a perfect politician. She is a very dishonest person that says one thing one day and denies saying it the next. Some people liked Bill Clinton too, but he was a perverted adulterer that I know a lot of people thought did a great job in the White House and simply overlooked his immorality.

[NUance]

The two biggest arguments hung around Hillary Clinton's neck are Benghazi and the email server.

 

That would have been just another week in the Bush administration, another blip on the news cycle. And that's not really conjecture. The same people who clutch their pearls about Benghazi were oddly silent during the Iraq debacle. They also have a lot of the facts wrong, but whatever.

 

You don't have to love Hillary Clinton. I don't. But you should be aware that much of the hate and outrage against her has been orchestrated and paid for by people with their own wildly unethical standards.

 

Interestingly enough, a lot of the private money opposing HIllary never wanted Donald Trump anywhere near the White House, but whoops...

 

If Donald Trump thinks he's been unfairly scrutinized and attacked these past 18 months, he should walk a mile in Hillary Clinton's pantsuit.

 

I dunno. How was Hillary's handling of the emails any better than Nixon's role in the Watergate scandal? In Watergate Nixon had no role or even knowledge of the initial break-in. His crime was that he lied about it and discarded evidence to cover it up. By contrast Hillary did have a role in the use of private email servers. They were her emails! And, like Nixon, she lied about it and then discarded evidence to cover it up. (Okay, *she* probably didn't delete the emails herself. Just like Nixon didn't personally erase those tapes. But they knew, and directed the effort.)

 

For me though, I don't hold the emails or Benghazi against Hillary as much as her crooked commodities trading. Even though that was many years ago it serves as proof that she was a crook from the get go.

 

That said, I doubt if Hillary is any less honest or more corrupt than Donald Trump. I mean, the guy is a real estate developer and casino owner. I'm guessing that he's engaged in corruption on a much, much larger scale than anything Hillary ever dipped her snout in.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

My point still stands as well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Folks, like yourself, would be using that against Trump if the role was flipped. Just because someone endorses someone doesn't mean that person necessarily cares if they endorse them or not. Speaking of disavowed, hasn't Trump said he doesn't want their endorsement before? I would also venture to guess that historically speaking the KKK has probably endorsed the Republican side of things rather than the Democrat side of things.

 

 

 

This is different than that and you know it.

 

 

Maybe Trump has said he doesn't want it, although I haven't heard that. However, he continues to follow and retweet white supremacists twitter accounts. Trump's rhetoric and policies and decades of documented behavior match up with white nationalism. Hillary's don't.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't support either one of these train wrecks, but my problem is Hillary certainly isn't as pristine as some of her followers like to pretend she is. Never mind her thoughts towards a certain occupation. I'm going to do some more research into this Evan McMullin guy and see how that goes. And to add, my conversation isn't so much that I support Trump, but how much I don't support Hillary Clinton.

[funhusker]

 

The two biggest arguments hung around Hillary Clinton's neck are Benghazi and the email server.

 

That would have been just another week in the Bush administration, another blip on the news cycle. And that's not really conjecture. The same people who clutch their pearls about Benghazi were oddly silent during the Iraq debacle. They also have a lot of the facts wrong, but whatever.

 

You don't have to love Hillary Clinton. I don't. But you should be aware that much of the hate and outrage against her has been orchestrated and paid for by people with their own wildly unethical standards.

 

Interestingly enough, a lot of the private money opposing HIllary never wanted Donald Trump anywhere near the White House, but whoops...

 

If Donald Trump thinks he's been unfairly scrutinized and attacked these past 18 months, he should walk a mile in Hillary Clinton's pantsuit.

 

I dunno. How was Hillary's handling of the emails any better than Nixon's role in the Watergate scandal? In Watergate Nixon had no role or even knowledge of the initial break-in. His crime was that he lied about it and discarded evidence to cover it up. By contrast Hillary did have a role in the use of private email servers. They were her emails! And, like Nixon, she lied about it and then discarded evidence to cover it up. (Okay, *she* probably didn't delete the emails herself. Just like Nixon didn't personally erase those tapes. But they knew, and directed the effort.)

 

For me though, I don't hold the emails or Benghazi against Hillary as much as her crooked commodities trading. Even though that was many years ago it serves as proof that she was a crook from the get go.

 

That said, I doubt if Hillary is any less honest or more corrupt than Donald Trump. I mean, the guy is a real estate developer and casino owner. I'm guessing that he's engaged in corruption on a much, much larger scale than anything Hillary ever dipped her snout in.

 

 

There are a lot of credible articles out there that discuss what happened in Watergate and what happened with Hillary's email. You would have to stretch those facts a lot to say what she did was as bad (if not worse) than Nixon...

[knapplc]

I, and most of the alleged "Hillary supporters" here are just giving facts in response to misinformation. For that, we're accused of supporting a candidate we've all, frequently, said we don't support, and are denounced because of it.

 

I'll just continue to provide facts and truth in the face of this. I can't help what others think of me, unfortunately.