The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[TGHusker]

3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

I want a "Lyin' Dog-Faced Pony Soldier" shirt.

I want one that says "Uncle Joe"

[TGHusker]

4 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

In case you wanted an illustration of the character of these two men.

 

 

greeat video  - shows the deep contrast between Biden and tRump

 

I like this one too - makes sure the audio is on

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

14 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

I want one that says "Uncle Joe"

 

There are some "Joe Knew" shirts already printed, I never dreamed that I'd want one.

[Moiraine]

1 hour ago, Landlord said:

When I refer to 'radical left ideology' I'm not talking about MLK/Ghandi or universal healthcare/UBI. I'm talking about class warfare, redistribution of wealth, reparations, eat the rich types. This neo-marxist socialist/communist perspective is getting more and more commonplace, especially in the liberal arts and humanities in colleges in the northeast/west coast/chicago.

 

Those like AOC are at least somewhat in that vein, although she's proven to be more of a tactful and compromising politician than I first expected.

 

 

How do you feel about tax rates under FDR? Also, universal healthcare is a way to redistribute wealth, and that's not a bad thing.

[knapplc]

This is totally out of left field, but the more I see Biden's post-work face and his awkward, sometimes totally non-sequitor answers to even basic questions, the more I'm beginning to think this isn't the real Joe Biden.

 

This is clearly an AI in a Biden-like suit, a marvel of modern robotics yet still with that unavoidable plastic-like quality.

 

It's kinda exciting that, 12 years after America's first Black President, we could have our first artificial life-form president.

 

What a time to be alive.

[RedDenver]

1 hour ago, Landlord said:

When I refer to 'radical left ideology' I'm not talking about MLK/Ghandi or universal healthcare/UBI. I'm talking about class warfare, redistribution of wealth, reparations, eat the rich types. This neo-marxist socialist/communist perspective is getting more and more commonplace, especially in the liberal arts and humanities in colleges in the northeast/west coast/chicago.

 

Those like AOC are at least somewhat in that vein, although she's proven to be more of a tactful and compromising politician than I first expected.

MLK was very much in favor of redistribution of wealth. I'm not sure about Ghandi.

 

And I'd like to point out that marxist, socialist, and communist are different things.

[Danny Bateman]

57 minutes ago, knapplc said:

This is totally out of left field, but the more I see Biden's post-work face and his awkward, sometimes totally non-sequitor answers to even basic questions, the more I'm beginning to think this isn't the real Joe Biden.

 

This is clearly an AI in a Biden-like suit, a marvel of modern robotics yet still with that unavoidable plastic-like quality.

 

It's kinda exciting that, 12 years after America's first Black President, we could have our first artificial life-form president.

 

What a time to be alive.

 

Hey it was either that or let the reptiles win!

 

I for one welcome our artificial overlords!

[RedDenver]

21 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Hey it was either that or let the reptiles win!

 

I for one welcome our artificial overlords!

[Landlord]

2 hours ago, Moiraine said:

How do you feel about tax rates under FDR? Also, universal healthcare is a way to redistribute wealth, and that's not a bad thing.

 

I'm fine with both. My initial post wasn't even an assessment on progressive left policies being bad or good. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

MLK was very much in favor of redistribution of wealth. I'm not sure about Ghandi.

 

And I'd like to point out that marxist, socialist, and communist are different things.

 

MLK also championed a perspective and a prospective future where people were judged by the content of their character and not their categories.

 

But you're right. What I was getting at was that really radical left ideologies tend to often self-destruct (not always and not always the same way), because a common underlying perspective of "those people have what belongs to us" will never end but will only find a new "those people", with the most aggressive either fracturing themselves so small that they're not formidable, or succeeding but then punishing the bigger and bigger "those people" through the power of the state.

[RedDenver]

21 minutes ago, Landlord said:

MLK also championed a perspective and a prospective future where people were judged by the content of their character and not their categories.

 

But you're right. What I was getting at was that really radical left ideologies tend to often self-destruct (not always and not always the same way), because a common underlying perspective of "those people have what belongs to us" will never end but will only find a new "those people", with the most aggressive either fracturing themselves so small that they're not formidable, or succeeding but then punishing the bigger and bigger "those people" through the power of the state.

Right ideologies have the same "those people have what belongs to us" it's just different those and us. Feudalism, socialism, capitalism, communism, etc. all have that exact issue, so I don't consider it a "left" issue but one common to all societies.

[Moiraine]

41 minutes ago, Landlord said:

I'm fine with both. My initial post wasn't even an assessment on progressive left policies being bad or good. 

 

 

 

 

MLK also championed a perspective and a prospective future where people were judged by the content of their character and not their categories.

 

But you're right. What I was getting at was that really radical left ideologies tend to often self-destruct (not always and not always the same way), because a common underlying perspective of "those people have what belongs to us" will never end but will only find a new "those people", with the most aggressive either fracturing themselves so small that they're not formidable, or succeeding but then punishing the bigger and bigger "those people" through the power of the state.

 

 

You claimed that very left policies tend to cause a lot of death. Seems bad.

I'm sure you see crazies on Twitter and probably in real life, but you still seem to be talking about communism to me. Your comments make me think you're thinking about famine under Mao and Stalin. 

[RedDenver]

 

[Landlord]

49 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Right ideologies have the same "those people have what belongs to us" it's just different those and us. Feudalism, socialism, capitalism, communism, etc. all have that exact issue, so I don't consider it a "left" issue but one common to all societies.

 

I don't agree. They sometimes have a similar demonization of an "other", but I think two main differences are that one that "other" is usually a minority or a perceived "outside" threat to punch down on (brown immigrants, muslims, jews in nazi germany, etc.), which is distinctly different than punching up at the tyrannical enemy, and two that the right is much more pragmatic about employing the service of or allying with a "those people" who will help them achieve their ends.

 

There's also the whole bootstraps/individual autonomy philosophy where everything is much more individualistic.

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

You claimed that very left policies tend to cause a lot of death. Seems bad.

I'm sure you see crazies on Twitter and probably in real life, but you still seem to be talking about communism to me. Your comments make me think you're thinking about famine under Mao and Stalin. 

 

Mao and Stalin are the two biggest examples of successful (in terms of acquiring power) and extreme left state totalitarianism, so yeah, if the most radical pure left policies win out without balance, there's good historical precedent of that ending very badly (same as on the right).

[Moiraine]

3 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Mao and Stalin are the two biggest examples of successful (in terms of acquiring power) and extreme left state totalitarianism, so yeah, if the most radical pure left policies win out without balance, there's good historical precedent of that ending very badly (same as on the right).

 

 

What people do you talk to that want property and production to be owned by the state? I don't know of progressives who want this.

[commando]

did he really mean this?   sure seems like it