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It will be very interesting to see how things shake out.

 

Scholarship & talked about Players

Mikale Wilbon RS SR

Devine Ozigbo - True Senior

Wyatt Mazour - RS JR

Tre Bryant- True Junior

Greg Bell - True Junior

Jaylin Bradley - True Sophomore

Fullback Ben Miles - RS FR

Maurice Washington - True Freshman

 

I could see Tre Bryant redshirting this season to fully rehabilitate.

I could see Devine Ozigbo transferring after spring ball (he would be able to use his redshirt to sit out for a year)

I'm interested to see how the staff can use Mazour, as he has always been raved about as a player who can shake a guy.

Greg Bell is a 3 for 2 guy, but barring injury I can't see a way he would redshirt.

Bradley and Washington feel like they are going to be a little bit interchangeable so I don't see redshirts for either of them.

 

That would leave us with Wilbon, Bell, Bradley and Washington getting the bulk of the snaps with plenty of handoffs going to Spielman and Miles Jones as well. Should be very interesting to see how this all shakes outs. It feels like we have multiple options for multiple roles. Will be interesting if Mazour finds a niche or if Ben Miles finds a role. They have already said they will not be using a true Fullback.

 

 

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If that is how it went this year...Here is how the following year  would look.

SR: Bell & Mazour

JR: Bryant & Bradley

SO: Miles & Washington

FR: 1-2 RB Recruits

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Way too early depth chart predictions: 

 

1. Bell

2. Washington

3. Wilbon

4. Bradley

5. Bryant

6. Ozigbo

7. Mazour

Sad Panda: Miles

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Is Ozigbo being written off because he is not a 'speedy' back, or because they believe he just isn't as talented as the other backs?

Oregon's spread offense has used bigger backs as the primary back in the past...

Jonathan Stewart wasn't exactly a burner (although, very quick)

LeGarette Blount was pegged to be the workhorse until he did what he did.

Royce Freeman was a featured back while Helfrich & Frost were running the Offense.

 

If Ozigbo has something to offer (which I believe he does) don't expect him to ride pine just because he isn't fast, shifty, flashy, etc.

Frost's offense may utilize speed as it's primary asset; but I'm sure he knows the value of POWER, and power-backs.

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2 hours ago, Red_Payne said:

Is Ozigbo being written off because he is not a 'speedy' back, or because they believe he just isn't as talented as the other backs?

Oregon's spread offense has used bigger backs as the primary back in the past...

Jonathan Stewart wasn't exactly a burner (although, very quick)

LeGarette Blount was pegged to be the workhorse until he did what he did.

Royce Freeman was a featured back while Helfrich & Frost were running the Offense.

 

If Ozigbo has something to offer (which I believe he does) don't expect him to ride pine just because he isn't fast, shifty, flashy, etc.

Frost's offense may utilize speed as it's primary asset; but I'm sure he knows the value of POWER, and power-backs.

Yeah Frost's 'power back' last year got hurt early in the year with a season ending injury. Lots of different looks and touches in the backfield.

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Is Miles a TE possibility or a convert to D - appears he is the odd man out.  Unless Frost gets creative and brings back aspects of our Triple option in

honor of Joe Makovicka!

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2 hours ago, Red_Payne said:

Is Ozigbo being written off because he is not a 'speedy' back, or because they believe he just isn't as talented as the other backs?

Oregon's spread offense has used bigger backs as the primary back in the past...

Jonathan Stewart wasn't exactly a burner (although, very quick)

LeGarette Blount was pegged to be the workhorse until he did what he did.

Royce Freeman was a featured back while Helfrich & Frost were running the Offense.

 

If Ozigbo has something to offer (which I believe he does) don't expect him to ride pine just because he isn't fast, shifty, flashy, etc.

Frost's offense may utilize speed as it's primary asset; but I'm sure he knows the value of POWER, and power-backs.

I actually agree, I just don’t think he is going to be happy with a modest role. Which is why I see a transfer possibility. Could be way off. I just don’t know how we could feature all of those guys. 

Wilbon is the shifty veteran.

Bryant is probably the best but oft-injury.

Bradley showed some life and might be a really good fit for Frosts O.

Ozigbo to me fits the same role as Oz but better.

Washington is absolutely loved by new staff and will get opportunities if he is as good as predicted.

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3 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

Way too early depth chart predictions: 

 

1. Bell

2. Washington

3. Wilbon

4. Bradley

5. Bryant

6. Ozigbo

7. Mazour

Sad Panda: Miles

Slide Wilbon and Bradley down. Move Ozigbo up to third. He has way too much production to be 6th. Tre would slide up to 1 if he's healthy. Sorry Cdog, that was just me thinking out loud. Your list could be right. 

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To me, this is the most intriguing position battle. The talent is at an all time high (recent years). Many guys do different things. Who knows what happens when these guys get through conditioning. One thing is for sure, and thats that a lot of guys will play. 

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You know, I’m excited with the depth of running back talent, especially the new guys. But Ozigbo ended up being our best back each of the last 3 years, even after always starting off buried on the depth chart. I hope he stays, and I hope he excels as a senior. 

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I hope the FB spot is not forgotten in Frost's offense and Miles can be a very good one.   Ozigbo remains our best RB amongst the returning guys in my view and has been for three years in my opinion.   No, he is not exceptional in speed but his quickness is not much below the others and he offers a lot more power and pile pushing ability.  Again, players have to learn the offense and play their roles as ball carriers, blockers, receivers, etc.   But pound for pound, I still choose Ozigbo.  His experience will count for quite a bit I would think when it comes to fitting in to the scheme, etc.   I am assuming that all the RBs in the new strength and conditioning work hard and push themselves.  There will be room for several guys to get their share of carries and with the hurry up offense, frequent substitutions for fatigue, formations, down and distance will also come into play.   I would be surprised if we don't redshirt several of the new recruits although hopefully one will become a future star and show great promise off the bat.  

 

I have not seen the 40 times on any of them I don't believe so it is really hard to guage but at this point I remain unconvinced that we have the game breaker (4.35) type speed.   We need guys who can turn the corner and out run the vast majority of the defenders they will face.   In about 75% of the Osborne years and most Solich years, we had true burners who coud go the distance on any given play with a couple great blocks.   It's been awhile but if a smaller size guys is quick but not electric fast, then power has to carry extra weight in the decision too.

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5 hours ago, Vince R. said:

Slide Wilbon and Bradley down. Move Ozigbo up to third. He has way too much production to be 6th. Tre would slide up to 1 if he's healthy. Sorry Cdog, that was just me thinking out loud. Your list could be right. 

 

I think Tre would be 1 or 2 if healthy, but I don't know if he ever really will be. 

 

Ozigbo has a lot of talent, but I don't know how effective he can be in this offense. Certainly looking forward to seeing him in it, though. 

 

2 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

I hope the FB spot is not forgotten in Frost's offense and Miles can be a very good one.   Ozigbo remains our best RB amongst the returning guys in my view and has been for three years in my opinion.   No, he is not exceptional in speed but his quickness is not much below the others and he offers a lot more power and pile pushing ability.  Again, players have to learn the offense and play their roles as ball carriers, blockers, receivers, etc.   But pound for pound, I still choose Ozigbo.  His experience will count for quite a bit I would think when it comes to fitting in to the scheme, etc.   I am assuming that all the RBs in the new strength and conditioning work hard and push themselves.  There will be room for several guys to get their share of carries and with the hurry up offense, frequent substitutions for fatigue, formations, down and distance will also come into play.   I would be surprised if we don't redshirt several of the new recruits although hopefully one will become a future star and show great promise off the bat.  

 

I have not seen the 40 times on any of them I don't believe so it is really hard to guage but at this point I remain unconvinced that we have the game breaker (4.35) type speed.   We need guys who can turn the corner and out run the vast majority of the defenders they will face.   In about 75% of the Osborne years and most Solich years, we had true burners who coud go the distance on any given play with a couple great blocks.   It's been awhile but if a smaller size guys is quick but not electric fast, then power has to carry extra weight in the decision too.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but multiple coaches last week said not to hold your breath in terms of much use of a FB in this offense. 

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2 hours ago, Redux said:

Total spitball here:

 

1- Ozigbo

2- Bryant

3- Wilbon

Greg Bell??? You don’t recruit a top JUCO back for him to sit the pine.

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3 minutes ago, caveman99 said:

Greg Bell??? You don’t recruit a top JUCO back for him to sit the pine.

 

"Spitball"

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3 minutes ago, caveman99 said:

You need to recalibrate your straw:

 

Depth changes, just my crapshoot on start of the season.

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3 hours ago, Redux said:

Total spitball here:

 

1- Ozigbo

2- Bryant

3- Wilbon

So you think Riley and Reggie had it right? Sort of?

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Just now, ScottyIce said:

So you think Riley and Reggie had it right? Sort of?

 

No, not when they considered the run game a novelty act.

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1 minute ago, ScottyIce said:

I meant depth chart

 

I don't know that their RB depth chart was ever the same two weeks in a row.

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7 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

I don't know that their RB depth chart was ever the same two weeks in a row.

True. Just felt like it was those 3 in some fashion

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2 minutes ago, ScottyIce said:

True. Just felt like it was those 3 in some fashion

 

It basically was half the time IIRC.

 

And yes, as mentioned, I think Bell will figure into the rotation and move up quickly.

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11 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

Way too early depth chart predictions: 

 

1. Bell

2. Washington

3. Wilbon

4. Bradley

5. Bryant

6. Ozigbo

7. Mazour

Sad Panda: Miles

Running back by committee. Lots of them getting touches and in various roles. Bell gets the most touches followed by Bryant if he is healthy. That would be my naive guess. Wilbon, Washington, and Bradley fighting for playing time behind them with Oz fitting the big back roll. Miles backs up Spielman as a WR who sometimes lines up as a running back. By the time we get to our first game all my predictions will be off and I will have new ones :)

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7 hours ago, ScottyIce said:

So you think Riley and Reggie had it right? Sort of?

 

I don't think it mattered.

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17 hours ago, Vince R. said:

To me, this is the most intriguing position battle. The talent is at an all time high (recent years). Many guys do different things. Who knows what happens when these guys get through conditioning. One thing is for sure, and thats that a lot of guys will play. 

That's quite the statement about talent.   In 2011 we had burkhead, ameer,  braylon heard, and Aaron green.   That's 4 top ten rated high school backs and Ameer all at the same time.  

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1 hour ago, Crazyhole said:

That's quite the statement about talent.   In 2011 we had burkhead, ameer,  braylon heard, and Aaron green.   That's 4 top ten rated high school backs and Ameer all at the same time.  

 

We transitioned from Helu to Burkhead to Ameer. That's Classic-Era Nebraska level. I'd argue that was the best 3-back transition in school history. 

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40 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

We transitioned from Helu to Burkhead to Ameer. That's Classic-Era Nebraska level. I'd argue that was the best 3-back transition in school history. 

 

It's reminiscent of going from Derek Brown to Calvin Jones to Lawrence Phillips to ahman green, or hipp-redwine-Craig-Rozier-dubose-Jones-clark in the late 70s into the 80s.  

 

Helu was so vastly underrated when he was here it's a shame, and it's not even a matter of him getting no respect, I just think he's in the same conversation as green, Phillips, and rozier when it comes to the best in our history. 

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4 minutes ago, Crazyhole said:

 

It's reminiscent of going from Derek Brown to Calvin Jones to Lawrence Phillips to ahman green, or hipp-redwine-Craig-Rozier-dubose-Jones-clark in the late 70s into the 80s.  

 

Helu was so vastly underrated when he was here it's a shame, and it's not even a matter of him getting no respect, I just think he's in the same conversation as green, Phillips, and rozier when it comes to the best in our history. 

 

All three of them are in the top 10 of total rushing yards in program history. Jones-Phillips-Green probably exceeds it, but I'd be hard pressed to argue anyone else that does. 

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3 hours ago, Crazyhole said:

That's quite the statement about talent.   In 2011 we had burkhead, ameer,  braylon heard, and Aaron green.   That's 4 top ten rated high school backs and Ameer all at the same time.  

Well Burkhead was not rated that high but I think he ended up developing into it. Braylon was a bust for multiple reasons. Aaron was also a bust until he went to TCU. I would still say he was misevaluated. Tre Bryant is better than both Aaron and Braylon, and I hope somehow he can heal those knees. Maurice is the best prospect Nebraska has had in a decade at RB. Greg Bell is the #1 JUCO RB recruit and looks good on film. Devine has had a better career than Braylon. Miles Jones is an excellent prospect for so many reasons. I stick by my statement.

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1 hour ago, Crazyhole said:

 

It's reminiscent of going from Derek Brown to Calvin Jones to Lawrence Phillips to ahman green, or hipp-redwine-Craig-Rozier-dubose-Jones-clark in the late 70s into the 80s.  

 

Helu was so vastly underrated when he was here it's a shame, and it's not even a matter of him getting no respect, I just think he's in the same conversation as green, Phillips, and rozier when it comes to the best in our history. 

It would have been really insane if Bo hadn't kicked off Castille. He is the "what could have been".

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4 minutes ago, Vince R. said:

Well Burkhead was not rated that high but I think he ended up developing into it. Braylon was a bust for multiple reasons. Aaron was also a bust until he went to TCU. I would still say he was misevaluated. Tre Bryant is better than both Aaron and Braylon, and I hope somehow he can heal those knees. Maurice is the best prospect Nebraska has had in a decade at RB. Greg Bell is the #1 JUCO RB recruit and looks good on film. Devine has had a better career than Braylon. Miles Jones is an excellent prospect for so many reasons. I stick by my statement.

Burkhead was rated #9 in the country by 24/7.  Braylon was caught in a series of unfortunate decisions and circumstances that led to him being a non contributor at any level, but he was probably as talented or moreso than green and Ameer.  Green was homesick so he went back to Texas.  

 

I'm not diminishing the potential of the current roster  but outside of Washington I don't think any if these guys should be considered anywhere near the level of ameer or burkhead.   Bryant has had 1 good game, Wilbon and ozigbo had complete seasons that included highlight reels that would be a combined 45 seconds long.   The remaining guys have zero carries as huskers and could just as easily be another generation of braylon heard type guys.  

 

Again, they look good on paper but putting them above ameer and rex is a stretch.  

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4 minutes ago, Crazyhole said:

Burkhead was rated #9 in the country by 24/7.  Braylon was caught in a series of unfortunate decisions and circumstances that led to him being a non contributor at any level, but he was probably as talented or moreso than green and Ameer.  Green was homesick so he went back to Texas.  

 

I'm not diminishing the potential of the current roster  but outside of Washington I don't think any if these guys should be considered anywhere near the level of ameer or burkhead.   Bryant has had 1 good game, Wilbon and ozigbo had complete seasons that included highlight reels that would be a combined 45 seconds long.   The remaining guys have zero carries as huskers and could just as easily be another generation of braylon heard type guys.  

 

Again, they look good on paper but putting them above ameer and rex is a stretch.  

Yeah I see what you're saying. I just feel that this room is deeper than it has been in a long time. I have full confidence that the top 4 running backs next year will play well. If that is the case, I'd say that it would prove to be the most overall talented RB room we have had in a long time. Ameer and Rex have had great careers and you're right. Maybe it's because I don't count Aaron and Braylon's career here. I also felt that the drop off was tremendous after Rex and Ameer. 

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50 minutes ago, Vince R. said:

Yeah I see what you're saying. I just feel that this room is deeper than it has been in a long time. I have full confidence that the top 4 running backs next year will play well. If that is the case, I'd say that it would prove to be the most overall talented RB room we have had in a long time. Ameer and Rex have had great careers and you're right. Maybe it's because I don't count Aaron and Braylon's career here. I also felt that the drop off was tremendous after Rex and Ameer. 

 

Tremendous is an understatement.  I still don't understand how our running back recruiting was as good as it was for about a decade and then all of a sudden we don't have depth or any seriously talented players on the roster at all.   Stevenson looked to be the part but that ended up being a crapshow.   Hopefully what we have moving forward is more reminiscent of 2007-2012 and less like 2013-2017.  

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1 hour ago, Vince R. said:

Well Burkhead was not rated that high but I think he ended up developing into it. Braylon was a bust for multiple reasons. Aaron was also a bust until he went to TCU. I would still say he was misevaluated. Tre Bryant is better than both Aaron and Braylon, and I hope somehow he can heal those knees. Maurice is the best prospect Nebraska has had in a decade at RB. Greg Bell is the #1 JUCO RB recruit and looks good on film. Devine has had a better career than Braylon. Miles Jones is an excellent prospect for so many reasons. I stick by my statement.

 

Burkhead was a 5.8, 9th ranked RB in '08. Heard was a 5.9, 5th ranked RB in '09 and Green was a 5.9, 8th ranked RB in '10. It's insane that only one of them panned out here. 

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7 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

We transitioned from Helu to Burkhead to Ameer. That's Classic-Era Nebraska level. I'd argue that was the best 3-back transition in school history. 

There are several cases that are arguably better. Just off the top of my head I would say Calvin Jones, LP, Green was better.

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2 hours ago, caveman99 said:

There are several cases that are arguably better. Just off the top of my head I would say Calvin Jones, LP, Green was better.

 

I stated above that those three would probably be the only ones better. Helu, Burkhead and Ameer are all top 10 rushers in school history. 

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Back on track a bit here. 

I’ll say Greg Bell ends the season with the most carries. Ozigbo, Washington and Bryant/Bradley will all have a role and contribute. 

 

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On 2/12/2018 at 11:31 AM, Cdog923 said:

Way too early depth chart predictions: 

 

1. Bell

2. Washington

3. Wilbon

4. Bradley

5. Bryant

6. Ozigbo

7. Mazour

Sad Panda: Miles

My predictions:

1. Bryant 

2. Bell

3. Washington

4. Ozigbo (he'll be used in down and short situations)

5. Wilbon.

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Any odds Tre Bryant becomes a medical hardship? 

 

If healthy Bryant (1), Bell (2), Mazour (3), take your pick after that. 

 

Granted it was just a spring game, but Frost is going to get ball carriers in plus situations for running in the open field, Mazour has some wheels and runs hard. If a new staff and new philosophy pushes Bradley/Wilbon/Ziggy to pick their game up, then I see Wilbon reaping the biggest reward of those three and trajecting himself into significant carries.

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9 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

I stated above that those three would probably be the only ones better. Helu, Burkhead and Ameer are all top 10 rushers in school history. 

I think it is debatable, those 3 are definitely in the discussion, but career total rushing yards doesn’t tell the whole story IMO as different eras are being compared. Regardless I agree that Helu to Rex to Ameer was a lot of fun to watch and a rare event.

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1 hour ago, caveman99 said:

I think it is debatable, those 3 are definitely in the discussion, but career total rushing yards doesn’t tell the whole story IMO as different eras are being compared. Regardless I agree that Helu to Rex to Ameer was a lot of fun to watch and a rare event.

 

You're right; the numbers would look vastly different if Jones and Green had stayed for their senior years and if LP hadn't done what he did. 

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5 hours ago, Savage Husker said:

Any odds Tre Bryant becomes a medical hardship? 

 

If healthy Bryant (1), Bell (2), Mazour (3), take your pick after that. 

 

Granted it was just a spring game, but Frost is going to get ball carriers in plus situations for running in the open field, Mazour has some wheels and runs hard. If a new staff and new philosophy pushes Bradley/Wilbon/Ziggy to pick their game up, then I see Wilbon reaping the biggest reward of those three and trajecting himself into significant carries.

 

If you're talking about the Spring Game, sure. 

 

Come September, if Mazour is above Washington, Wilbon and Ozigbo (and potentially Miles Jones), we are in trouble. 

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On February 12, 2018 at 8:25 PM, caveman99 said:

Greg Bell??? You don’t recruit a top JUCO back for him to sit the pine.

You are correct about recruiting a JUCO to not sit the pine.  Question is.....  how good is he?  Frost and Co. haven't even seen Wilbon, Ozigbo, Bryant other than film.  I would venture to guess that 1 of those 3 would be a top ranked JUCO back if they went that route.  Who is to say that those 3 aren't better than Bell.  

 

If Frost and Co. are saying they will play the "best" guy regardless of age, then it seems to me that every guy will get a fair shake, regardless of how and when they were recruited.

 

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The thing we have to consider is that the running back who gets the most carries could have a lot to do with how much improvement we see out of the line.  If they are able to pick up the new blocking schemes quickly and can get stronger and faster as a group, it's very possible that Washington is the guy because he seems to look the part of frosts ideal running back.  If not, the bigger ozigbo could be relied on more to help pound down opposing linebackers. If it's somewhere in the middle then it could be more of a group effort or Tre could be the guy because he has the most diverse skillset.   

 

My guess is that earlier in the year we will probably get a lot more Ozigbo than we do later in the season.  Beyond that I have no idea what to expect. 

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Greg Bell was brought in to be the starter. You don’t bring in a JUCO guy with his level of talent so he can be a backup. 

We also don’t bring in 2-3 RB’s in this class if we already have 5 on the roster unless the coaches didn’t see what they wanted in the room. 

They mentioned they wanted speed, a home run threat, good vision and ability to catch passes and pass protect. 

Theres been discussions about putting Tre Bryant on a medical scholarship. His knee is just worn down. 

Ozigbo and Wilbon are question marks. Spring will tell us more but one of those is likely to transfer after spring. 

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1 hour ago, Cdog923 said:

 

If you're talking about the Spring Game, sure. 

 

Come September, if Mazour is above Washington, Wilbon and Ozigbo (and potentially Miles Jones), we are in trouble. 

 

Yeah it’s an out there prediction, but that’s because I don’t count on true freshmen to come in and be productive right away, nor am I worried if a walk-on gets more touches or has higher production than a true freshman. Don’t get me wrong, I hope Washington jumps in and steals carries if he’s good enough, that’ll project well for the future. 

 

Frost has shown he will adapt, but he is primarily 1-2 RB guy, if Bell and Bryant are getting it done, there won’t be much need for the third back. 

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19 minutes ago, Savage Husker said:

 

Yeah it’s an out there prediction, but that’s because I don’t count on true freshmen to come in and be productive right away, nor am I worried if a walk-on gets more touches or has higher production than a true freshman. Don’t get me wrong, I hope Washington jumps in and steals carries if he’s good enough, that’ll project well for the future. 

 

Frost has shown he will adapt, but he is primarily 1-2 RB guy, if Bell and Bryant are getting it done, there won’t be much need for the third back. 

 

I really thought Mazour would see more time last night, particularly in the return game. I think he can provide some depth and ability there. 

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We got a heck of a new RB group coming in by the way....

 

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Greg Bell #1 JUCO RB 

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Maurice Washington #10 HS RB (can also play WR or DB)

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Miles Jones #17 HS ATH (can also play WR)

⭐️⭐️⭐️ Moses Bryant (walk on) 

 

thats basically a whole depth chart of guys in one class. 

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