The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

[commando]

10 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

It actually has nothing to do with single payer system multi pay system M4A, but you do you

where oh where do i say anything about M4A?   what is the point you want to convey with that message i quoted since i obviously missed the point you wanted to make 

[BigRedBuster]

14 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

That’s me and It does have the best healthcare system in the world.  

NO.  Hate to break it to you...but just no.

 

The "best healthcare system in the world" doesn't leave large chunks of the population without healthcare and people taking bankruptcy because they got sick.

[BigRedBuster]

10 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Yes all those Nordic countries have 340+million people.  

The population level of a country has nothing to do with it.  It's all a matter of scale and it's a total cop out argument by people who all they want to do is scream SOCIALISM!!!!

[Archy1221]

28 minutes ago, commando said:

where oh where do i say anything about M4A?   what is the point you want to convey with that message i quoted since i obviously missed the point you wanted to make 

You didn’t specify M4A.  Was pointing out that no matter who or what types of payers there are, makes no difference on getting tests approved.  
I will clarify, commando did not reference M4A.  

[Archy1221]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

The population level of a country has nothing to do with it.  It's all a matter of scale and it's a total cop out argument by people who all they want to do is scream SOCIALISM!!!!

It does matter.  
 

It will also be interesting to see what happens to drug delivery in these countries if MFN policy makes it past the coming lawsuit’s.   Either they will pay much much more or lose access to the US subsidized care.  Either way, not good for those countries. 

[knapplc]

America has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the world's COVID-19 cases. 

[commando]

27 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

You didn’t specify M4A.  Was pointing out that no matter who or what types of payers there are, makes no difference on getting tests approved.  
I will clarify, commando did not reference M4A.  

still doesn't answer my question about what was your point?

[BigRedBuster]

33 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

It does matter

No, it doesn't.  If you have more people, you also have more people paying for it.

 

Population level has nothing to do with it.  This is a worn out argument that has no merit.  We live in the richest country in the world but, we can't figure out how to provide healthcare to everyone because people refuse to even consider it because of SOCIALISM!!!!

[teachercd]

35 minutes ago, knapplc said:

America has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the world's COVID-19 cases. 

Is NK still at 0?

 

Why are we not doing what they do!!!

[knapplc]

3 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Is NK still at 0?

 

Why are we not doing what they do!!!

 

 

They use socialized medicine. That would never work here. 

 

[teachercd]

Just now, knapplc said:

 

 

They use socialized medicine. That would never work here. 

 

Ha...that is true...

 

[Archy1221]

46 minutes ago, knapplc said:

America has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the world's COVID-19 cases. 

20% of the known cases.  This is why

 

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?tab=table&time=2020-02-20..latest&country=ECU~IND~ITA~SEN~ZAF~KOR~TUR~USA~NZL~ARG~Argentina%2C tests performed~AUS~AUT~BHR~BGD~BLR~BEL~BRA~BGR~CAN~BOL~CHL~CHN~CIV~HRV~CRI~COL~CUB~GRC~GHA~FIN~ETH~EST~SLV~DNK~DOM~CZE~CYP~FJI~DEU~HKG~GTM~IRL~ISR~IRQ~IRN~IDN~India%2C people tested

8 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

They use socialized medicine. That would never work here. 

 

Agreed

[Nebfanatic]

1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Don’t need much more than 1/2 the eligible population.  seroprevalence studies published in NEMJ, JAMA show 50-80 million have already been infected.  Pediatrics aren’t big vectors so they don’t matter vaccine wise

Studies show the amount of people willing to get vaccinated are already almost 60%.  After first round shows safety, combined with public pressure and Private company mandates, more people will get on board.  If people don’t take it, the rest of us get it sooner 

Ok at this point we are arguing semantics because I agree with what you are saying here but the idea that 70% of the population will get a vaccine on its face is not happening imo. It doesn't have to as you are pointing out here and I do agree with that point. 

[DevoHusker]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

No, it doesn't.  If you have more people, you also have more people paying for it.

 

Population level has nothing to do with it.  This is a worn out argument that has no merit.  We live in the richest country in the world but, we can't figure out how to provide healthcare to everyone because people refuse to even consider it because of SOCIALISM!!!!

 

I think population has to play a part. Throw in geographical size comparisons,  combined with the small populations, and it has to be easier to manage in those Nordic countries. All four combined have a population total roughly the same as the State of Florida. 

 

Sweden 10.4 million

Norway 5.5 million

Finland  5.5 million

Denmark 5.7 million

 

The scale is not 1 or 2 times more...it is 30-60 times more. That has to make a difference. 

[RedDenver]

Just now, DevoHusker said:

 

I think population has to play a part. Throw in geographical size comparisons,  combined with the small populations, and it has to be easier to manage in those Nordic countries. All four combined have a population total roughly the same as the State of Florida. 

 

Sweden 10.4 million

Norway 5.5 million

Finland  5.5 million

Denmark 5.7 million

 

The scale is not 1 or 2 times more...it is 30-60 times more. That has to make a difference. 

31 of the 32 OECD countries have single payer healthcare systems with the US being the only country without it.

 

The US at 330 million is 25% of the OECD population. So the other 31 countries have 3x the population of the US and yet all of them have figured out how to do single payer.