RedDenver Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, JJ Husker said: Yeah this idea that employers owe unskilled uneducated workers some arbitrary “liveable” wage is hogwash. And employers can't figure out why it's so hard finding workers. Total mystery. 1 1 Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, RedDenver said: And employers can't figure out why it's so hard finding workers. Total mystery. I’m sorry you don’t like our free market way of doing things that determines what people get paid. There are jobs that are not designed to raise a family on. Sorry, it’s just a fact. Let’s see what our economy and a liveable wage looks like if the greeter at Walmart or hotel housekeeping staff is getting paid $30-$40/hr. I was speaking directly to the notion that some warehouse workers were obviously being underpaid. Unskilled and uneducated folks are always going to have it rougher. Some people will always be in poverty. You could pay every single person $50 per hour more and guess what, the lowest paid will still be in poverty. It’s not hard finding workers for employers that pay a decent, prevailing wage. Those that don’t can whine all they want. The bigger problem than some employers not paying enough (whatever enough is) is that US companies have to compete with overseas companies from China, Taiwan, Thailand etc. that use the equivalent of child and slave labor and no environmental protections. And people wonder why so much of our manufacturing is done out of country and so much of the economy is wrapped up in service places like Starbucks selling $8 coffee. 3 Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 8:09 PM, deedsker said: Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr. Thanks for posting that. TBH I had no idea it was still that low. Maybe I should actually read the posters I am required to post at my business Although I do know Colorado has a minimum wage that is higher than the federal. The bigger issue though is that to my knowledge nobody is working doing anything for less than about $12/hr anywhere near here. I may be just not know about them but I can’t imagine an employer could staff a workforce at that wage. When fast food joints are starting over $15 and grocery store baggers are getting over $20, you’d be pretty hard pressed to find an employee for minimum wage. That is why I push back on the notion that $8/hr candle factory workers must be being taken advantage of by the employer. Apparently that is the prevailing wage in the area. If it wasn’t, that company couldn’t find any workers for their factory. Id also hazard a guess that if they were forced to pay $12 or $15 per hour that they would quite quickly have no jobs for anyone. Then we could just buy something else from China and feel good about having no domestic jobs while unknown foreigners work for peanuts. 2 Link to comment
deedsker Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 hours ago, JJ Husker said: Thanks for posting that. TBH I had no idea it was still that low. Maybe I should actually read the posters I am required to post at my business Although I do know Colorado has a minimum wage that is higher than the federal. The bigger issue though is that to my knowledge nobody is working doing anything for less than about $12/hr anywhere near here. I may be just not know about them but I can’t imagine an employer could staff a workforce at that wage. When fast food joints are starting over $15 and grocery store baggers are getting over $20, you’d be pretty hard pressed to find an employee for minimum wage. That is why I push back on the notion that $8/hr candle factory workers must be being taken advantage of by the employer. Apparently that is the prevailing wage in the area. If it wasn’t, that company couldn’t find any workers for their factory. Id also hazard a guess that if they were forced to pay $12 or $15 per hour that they would quite quickly have no jobs for anyone. Then we could just buy something else from China and feel good about having no domestic jobs while unknown foreigners work for peanuts. Looks like 21 states have not increased their state’s minimum wage over the federal number with Kentucky being one of them. https://minimumwage.com/in-your-state/ 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 8 hours ago, RedDenver said: And employers can't figure out why it's so hard finding workers. Total mystery. Was this business owner complaining about not being able to find employees? Maybe he wasn't. How does his situation have any indication on my situation when our starting wage is over twice as high as his average wage? FYI....unemployment in my area is below 2%. 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1714-S-10th-St-Mayfield-KY-42066/195005569_zpid/ Okay, screw it, I might move there! 500 dollars a month for that home? Mayfield cost of living is NICE! Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, teachercd said: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1714-S-10th-St-Mayfield-KY-42066/195005569_zpid/ Okay, screw it, I might move there! 500 dollars a month for that home? Mayfield cost of living is NICE! Ummm....hate to tell you this. That home probably doesn't exist anymore. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, teachercd said: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1714-S-10th-St-Mayfield-KY-42066/195005569_zpid/ Okay, screw it, I might move there! 500 dollars a month for that home? Mayfield cost of living is NICE! But....yes....it's much cheaper to live there. 22% less than the national average. Housing is 49% less. https://www.areavibes.com/mayfield-ky/cost-of-living/ 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 46 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Ummm....hate to tell you this. That home probably doesn't exist anymore. Ha...well it was updated 4 days ago...looks sturdy! Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 LOL...I just looked. The unemployment rate in my county is 1.2%. 1 Link to comment
commando Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: LOL...I just looked. The unemployment rate in my county is 1.2%. yeah..unemployment is incredibly low and stock market is incredibly high...and the right is talking about what a disaster the economy is. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, commando said: yeah..unemployment is incredibly low and stock market is incredibly high...and the right is talking about what a disaster the economy is. If inflation wasn’t what it is and we would allow immigration to fill jobs, it would be great. Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: If inflation wasn’t what it is and we would allow immigration to fill jobs, it would be great. We do allow immigration. It’s not banned that I am aware of 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: We do allow immigration. It’s not banned that I am aware of We need more. But nobody wants to fix that. 2 Link to comment
commando Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: We need more. But nobody wants to fix that. we need to streamline the process and perhaps make it free to immigrate here. most immigrants are dirt poor looking to move up in the world. they don't have the money to pay all the legal fees to come here legally https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/migrate/the-costs-of-immigrating-to-the-united-states/articleshow/82966455.cms 1 Link to comment
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