Biden Foreign Policy

[funhusker]

1 hour ago, nic said:

I think Biden has some early signs of dementia, but I wasn’t sure about his leanings because he keeps his mouth shut to appease some of his base, and to limit the gaffes. I was simply surprised he actually said it. The middle of the country is pleased. The left is disappointed, but they really aren’t as prevalent as they think they are. Just loud. The right is politically bummed too because they were going to use Cuba against the Dems by promoting quotes from BLM and politicians like AOC and her friends. Now I want to see some action....get that internet up and running and let the people of Cuba know we got their back. If he supports a Cuban democracy flip, he will flip Florida. Let’s see if he has the Moxie.

Gotcha 

 

Agree with your post 100% except the dementia part.  However I won’t try to claim he’s near as sharp as he was 20 years ago.  Dementia isn’t something they can fake their way through…

[TGHusker]

On 7/14/2021 at 10:30 AM, BigRedBuster said:

This needs to happen. But, it should have happened before we pulled the troops.

So much in mixed feelings on what is going on is Afghanistan.   The Taliban is taking control of the northern regions.  For all of this to happen, why in the world did we stay there for 20 years and not have a solid military and military plan in place  of Afghan people fully trained to stop the Taliban.  20 wasted years and trillions of $$s with nothing to show for it.  Worse yet, we abandon  a whole generation that grew up under a limited freedom - freedom for girls in women to go to school, work and not treated like 2nd hand citizens.  Yes, we needed to leave but not this way.  It looks terrible because it is terrible.  It never looks good when you abandon friends.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1908666/world

 

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, TGHusker said:

For all of this to happen, why in the world did we stay there for 20 years and not have a solid military and military plan in place  of Afghan people fully trained to stop the Taliban. 

It's because the Taliban has been effective in discouraging people from joining the military their by blowing up places and killing families. 

 

It's a horrible situation that we never should have been there that long.  But, now it's time for someone else to take care of the problem if the world thinks it needs done.  In my eyes, it's not any worse than before we went in.  We gave that place 20 years of hope.  Now they need to do it if they still want that hope.

[Lorewarn]

On 7/15/2021 at 9:01 PM, nic said:

 

"We’re considering whether we have the technological ability to reinstate that (internet) access," Biden said during a press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel Thursday.

"Communism is a failed system, a universally failed system, and I don’t see socialism as a very useful substitute," the president said.  

"Cuba is, unfortunately, a failed state and repressing their citizens," he continued. "There are a number of things that we are considering doing to help the people of Cuba, but they would require…a guarantee that they would not be taken advantage of by the government."

 

 

The United States is as much to blame for Cuba's "failed state" as Cuba is. 

 

We can't keep going on with this arrogance of believing we're the world's police, but only support potential leaders and governments who are in bed with us. Castro led a revolution against a dictator that we supported and backed in an anti-democracy coup; there's no Castro if there's no U.S. meddling. The CIA and joints of staff devised an intricate false flag operation plan where our own government would stage terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens and then blame them on Cuba, using it to justify war.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

So much in mixed feelings on what is going on is Afghanistan.   The Taliban is taking control of the northern regions.  For all of this to happen, why in the world did we stay there for 20 years and not have a solid military and military plan in place  of Afghan people fully trained to stop the Taliban.  20 wasted years and trillions of $$s with nothing to show for it.  Worse yet, we abandon  a whole generation that grew up under a limited freedom - freedom for girls in women to go to school, work and not treated like 2nd hand citizens.  Yes, we needed to leave but not this way.  It looks terrible because it is terrible.  It never looks good when you abandon friends.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1908666/world

 

 

Sadly, we also funded and helped create the Taliban. Our government armed them, trained them, and radicalized them. We spent millions on violent, militant schoolbooks to funnel to them to make them hate outsiders/invaders, at the time Soviets. That worked out great for us.

[Lorewarn]

7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

We gave that place 20 years of hope. 

 

This is like the mob smashing up your store then offering you "hope" that if you give them a cut of your stores earnings, they'll protect you from everyone who wants to smash up your store.

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, Lorewarn said:

 

This is like the mob smashing up your store then offering you "hope" that if you give them a cut of your stores earnings, they'll protect you from everyone who wants to smash up your store.

Thus, this part of my post.  It was a bad situation that we never were going to make better.  Go in, get Bin Laden and get out.  Trying to fix the country was never going to work.

 

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It's a horrible situation that we never should have been there that long.

 

[BigRedBuster]

I've often wondered why sticking around and trying to help rebuild the country worked in places like Japan, South Korea and Germany, but doesn't work in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

To me, it has to have something to do with the society and government that existed before the various wars.  Those other countries had well established governments with a population that was used to living in a well organized society with a rule of law.  Places like Afghanistan and Iraq didn't have that.

[Archy1221]

7 hours ago, TGHusker said:

So much in mixed feelings on what is going on is Afghanistan.   The Taliban is taking control of the northern regions.  For all of this to happen, why in the world did we stay there for 20 years and not have a solid military and military plan in place  of Afghan people fully trained to stop the Taliban.  20 wasted years and trillions of $$s with nothing to show for it.  Worse yet, we abandon  a whole generation that grew up under a limited freedom - freedom for girls in women to go to school, work and not treated like 2nd hand citizens.  Yes, we needed to leave but not this way.  It looks terrible because it is terrible.  It never looks good when you abandon friends.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1908666/world

 

Go ahead and thank all those Bush Republicans for us needlessly being there for so long.  And what did it actually get us?   Obama and Trump could have gotten us out earlier obviously, but both got talked into staying by the war machine Leftover Bushies. 

[MLB 51]

6 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I've often wondered why sticking around and trying to help rebuild the country worked in places like Japan, South Korea and Germany, but doesn't work in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

To me, it has to have something to do with the society and government that existed before the various wars.  Those other countries had well established governments with a population that was used to living in a well organized society with a rule of law.  Places like Afghanistan and Iraq didn't have that.

Religion plays a huge part in this. Also, people in that area are scared to death of the Taliban. Those idiots will kill a person's entire family just to make the point that you don't resist them.

[TGHusker]

11 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Go ahead and thank all those Bush Republicans for us needlessly being there for so long.  And what did it actually get us?   Obama and Trump could have gotten us out earlier obviously, but both got talked into staying by the war machine Leftover Bushies. 

agreed.   50 years from now history will look back on both Bushes and ask 'what were they thinking'?  Daddy Bush - New World Order Bush gave us a rising China - we've financed China's growth with all of our purchasing - of course Nixon had a part in that as well- at the very beginning.  Now China is our biggest military and economic rival.

GWB thought we could nation build.   Afghan and Iraq live by the  'Strong Man' concept.  They have been governed that way forever - it is the theme throughout the Middle East except in Israel.  In our arrogance we (Bush, et al) thought we could remake those countries in our image. "Surely they know the wisdom and rightness of our democracy and it can work anywhere if it can work here."  

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

agreed.   50 years from now history will look back on both Bushes and ask 'what were they thinking'?  Daddy Bush - New World Order Bush gave us a rising China - we've financed China's growth with all of our purchasing - of course Nixon had a part in that as well- at the very beginning.  Now China is our biggest military and economic rival.

GWB thought we could nation build.   Afghan and Iraq live by the  'Strong Man' concept.  They have been governed that way forever - it is the theme throughout the Middle East except in Israel.  In our arrogance we (Bush, et al) thought we could remake those countries in our image. "Surely they know the wisdom and rightness of our democracy and it can work anywhere if it can work here."  

Looking back, we went into Afghanistan and Iraq at a time when I was full steam ahead Republican.  Now, I see that this whole issue is what made me start questioning why I supported the party.  As the 20 year war drug on along with other things I couldn't support, I simply couldn't be registered as a Republican anymore.

[TGHusker]

21 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Looking back, we went into Afghanistan and Iraq at a time when I was full steam ahead Republican.  Now, I see that this whole issue is what made me start questioning why I supported the party.  As the 20 year war drug on along with other things I couldn't support, I simply couldn't be registered as a Republican anymore.

Yep - surely can relate.  Then they go down the tRump hole. Its become a party without a soul.   Trump said he'd get us out of the war.  I think it would have been much better for us to go in with a quick club- get the terrorists and leave just as quick.  Afghan is no place to nation build.

[RedDenver]

14 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Go ahead and thank all those Bush Republicans for us needlessly being there for so long.  And what did it actually get us?   Obama and Trump could have gotten us out earlier obviously, but both got talked into staying by the war machine Leftover Bushies. 

We don't agree on much, but x1000 for that post. Although I don't give Obama or Trump that much of a pass.

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

We don't agree on much, but x1000 for that post. Although I don't give Obama or Trump that much of a pass.

The actual funny part of all this is that all those Bush Republicans who hate Trump are at fault for the country electing Trump.  Without Bush’s disaster foreign policy, we don’t get Obama, which Obama led directly to Trump.  

[commando]

25 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

The actual funny part of all this is that all those Bush Republicans who hate Trump are at fault for the country electing Trump.  Without Bush’s disaster foreign policy, we don’t get Obama, which Obama led directly to Trump.  

so the ultimate cascade of failures?