Mavric Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 If this were readable it would be more helpful but... 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 Quote The numbers released by the program are translated into what looks like the same or similar indexing as former strength coach Boyd Epley used for years. Duval, of course, learned under Epley. Player Squat Hang Clean Strength Index Vertical Jump 10-yard 40-yard Pro Agility Performance Index Damian Jackson 608 563 1171 511 866 733 911 3021 Cam Jurgens 596 556 1152 667 713 648 868 2896 Chris Kolarevic 520 545 1065 730 621 723 658 2732 Deontai Williams 505 501 1006 565 604 684 874 2727 Cam Taylor-Britt 500 512 1012 516 587 694 694 2491 Quote According to Epley's book, I-back James Simms logged the highest Performance Index score in school history in 1996 at 3,313 points. Jurgens' 2,896 PI points surpass the offensive line record of 2,779 logged by Freddy Pollack in 1996. The book, published in 2004, has results up through the 2003 season, though only position-by-position records are listed rather than an exhaustive look at entire rosters each year. Jackson's 3,021 also compares favorably to rush-end Kyle Vanden Bosch's 1999 record of 2,939 for rush ends. Curtis Cotton holds the defensive back record, set in 1991, at 3,227 points. Frost in 1996 logged 2,686 Performance Index points, the top mark in program history for a quarterback. Epley writes in his book that the indexing is on a 0-1,000 scale in which 500 points represents the Division I average and takes into account the weight of the athlete. LJS 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Damian Jackson has old man strength on his side. That’s what enables him to do some well at performance testing. James (we always called him Jay) Simms was also in his mid-20s when he was at NU. He was an interesting guy. Nobody knows where he grew up, went to high school, or how he ended up at NU. He was a really nice guy, and one of the best athletes I have seen in person. 1 Quote Link to comment
lo country Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: Damian Jackson has old man strength on his side. That’s what enables him to do some well at performance testing. James Simms was also in his mid-20s when he was at NU. He was an interesting guy. Nobody knows where he grew up, went to high school, or how he ended up at NU. He was a really nice guy, and one of the best athletes I have seen in person. Wonder if they can find a way to turn Jackson loose on 3rd downs. He is a beast. 2 Quote Link to comment
floridacorn Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 "Epley writes in his book that the indexing is on a 0-1,000 scale in which 500 points represents the Division I average and takes into account the weight of the athlete. " I'm prob getting into the weeds w/this, but as an analyst this invites questions. I'd be curious to know how they determine/acquire the data for the D1 averages? For example, there are notable programs that don't even test 40's, & I can't imagine all, if many S&C programs are all willing to share testing results with competition. If these index scores are predicated on current D1 averages, it's not an apples to apples comparison of index scores from different years, let alone era's. You could theoretically be bigger, stronger, faster, & quicker than player X from the 90's, but so is the average athlete, so your score could still be lower. The value of such a comparison then would be how you compare to today's athlete versus how they compared to the athletes at the time of their testing. Seems like a static performance score similar to Sparq would be more relevant, at least in terms of direct comparisons/leader boards, ect... Regardless, as alluded to above, if Damian Jackson has the extreme burst and short area quickness for a big man these tests suggest, it seems like he could be an effective pass rush specialist from the interior if nothing else. Quote Link to comment
MyBloodIsRed16 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I vaguely remember Epley commenting on how many guys on Riley's roster were sub 500. Would be interesting to see how many are above that now 1 Quote Link to comment
zeWilbur Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, floridacorn said: I'd be curious to know how they determine/acquire the data for the D1 averages? For example, there are notable programs that don't even test 40's, & I can't imagine all, if many S&C programs are all willing to share testing results with competition. My guess is aggregating independent studies. There are a staggering number of ongoing small studies being done by strength coaches, asst strength coaches, kinesiology majors, pt folks, etc. They have been gathering data for decades. You might not know the exact details for a given athlete at a given school but being able to determine averages by height/weight/age is likely pretty standard at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment
Savage Husker Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 The fact they are releasing results to the public is a positive step for the program. Transparency is good. Hopefully this drives more competition amongst each player or identifies those who need to move on. 2 Quote Link to comment
WyoHusker56 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Quote "Zach told me that all but seven players on our roster improved in every single area of testing, so that's quite an improvement across the board," Frost said. LJS So, do we tar and feather these seven or chase them out of town with pitchforks? Quote Link to comment
The_Fan_Man Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Boyd Epley used the vert, agility, and ten to create his index score. There were a few numbers that they worked off of to evaluate team athleticism. 900: Walk-On that could contribute 1500: High-level contributors 1800: Pro-level athleticism Our scores were pretty good this year. Damian Jackson (2288) Cam Jurgens (2248) Deontai Williams (2043) Chris Kolarevic (2009) Cam Taylor-Britt (1797) To put this all in a bit of perspective, in 2016 our top five scorers were Khalil Davis (1790) Zack Darlington (1740) Brad Simpson (1738) Luke McNitt (1702) Tanner Farmer (1667) 6 Quote Link to comment
RedSavage Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 35 minutes ago, WyoHusker56 said: So, do we tar and feather these seven or chase them out of town with pitchforks? Must be Riley guys not working out 1 Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 19 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said: Damian Jackson has old man strength on his side. That’s what enables him to do some well at performance testing. James (we always called him Jay) Simms was also in his mid-20s when he was at NU. He was an interesting guy. Nobody knows where he grew up, went to high school, or how he ended up at NU. He was a really nice guy, and one of the best athletes I have seen in person. How well did they know him? He was from Omaha. His girlfriend lived in the apartment across from mine one summer is how I got to know him. The one thing that always stood out to me was his size. He was listed as 6'1, but he was a bit taller than that. His speed is what always fascinated me. If memory serves me right, he was the fastest guy on the team. Most of the time, he found himself in TO's doghouse which probably explains his lack of playing time. He didn't take things very seriously which apparently didn't do him any favors with the coaches. I get that a lot of his carries were in garbage time, but he did average right around 7 yards a carry. If only we had a guy with his size and his speed on the current roster. 2 Quote Link to comment
Toe Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 6 hours ago, The_Fan_Man said: To put this all in a bit of perspective, in 2016 our top five scorers were Zack Darlington (1740) Man, I still wish we could've seen what a healthy & fully practice repped Darlington could do. Dude had a pretty good looking arm coming outta HS. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
NUance Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 3/30/2021 at 11:02 AM, The_Fan_Man said: Boyd Epley used the vert, agility, and ten to create his index score. There were a few numbers that they worked off of to evaluate team athleticism. 900: Walk-On that could contribute 1500: High-level contributors 1800: Pro-level athleticism Our scores were pretty good this year. Damian Jackson (2288) Cam Jurgens (2248) Deontai Williams (2043) Chris Kolarevic (2009) Cam Taylor-Britt (1797) To put this all in a bit of perspective, in 2016 our top five scorers were Khalil Davis (1790) Zack Darlington (1740) Brad Simpson (1738) Luke McNitt (1702) Tanner Farmer (1667) Do we know whether the 2016 vs. 2021 numbers are apples to apples? Quote Link to comment
The_Fan_Man Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, NUance said: Do we know whether the 2016 vs. 2021 numbers are apples to apples? Yes, they are the same measurements and captured with the same electronic tools to the best of my knowledge. They didn't include the 40 yard dash in those 2016 measures. I imagine that Khalil Davis would have scored really, really well in that metric. These are the old records from 1980-2003; 10 Yard (Points) 40 Yard (Points) Pro Agility (Points) Vertical (Points) Performance Index Total Hang Clean (Points) Squat (Points) Strength Index Total 3 Quote Link to comment
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