The Dude Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 You got it all wrong, Assassin. Where the location argument falls apart is the fact that Nebraska was an elite program for 40 years. The difference was top tier coaching. Quote Link to comment
Saunders Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I love how any program who is more successful than Nebraska is "dirty" lolz Yeah, I mean it's not like Alabama didn't just get off probation when Saban got there.... Oh wait.... http://www.footballgeography.com/college-football-fbs-and-ncaa-probation/ Quote Link to comment
Saunders Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Just look at Chris Petersen last year. People swore up and down that he'd never leave BSU. No, actually that's false. What was said, is that he wouldn't leave BSU for anything but a West Coast job. This was known, and discussed in the media quite a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Nebraska was ranked #5 after five games in 2010. Being highly ranked early in the season isn't that difficult. Let's see where they're ranked at the end. My guess is quite a bit down the ladder. MS State has beaten 3 straight Top 5 teams. Their schedule is brutal. That's the ONLY reason why they might not finish high in the polls. If we had their schedule we'd finish with a losing record. Is it brutal? LSU almost lost to Wisconsin who is horrible... AM is a joke, just like they were the last 10 years Sometimes you catch teams at the right time. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Can we at least see if Ole Miss and Mississippi State can sustain this level of success before we start anointing them elite football schools? One season doesn't take away the years of bad football they have played. Quote Link to comment
Count 'Bility Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ole Miss has a good coach, great recruiter. Theyve had an influx of some elite talent the last couple years cycles. And it's quickly showing on the field. I believe Miss St. has the better coach though. And theyre in a situation where they have an elite quarterback that fits what they want to do to a T and a veteran roster all across the board on both sides. Mullen has been building for a year like this. Now, if Freese sustains his recruiting and can continue to develop and also continue to play solid defense as they have, I would think Ole Miss is a more sustainable program. But it also helps that theyre both peaking in a division in which Bama is on an obvious downswing, LSU is NOT a top 25 team-no ifs ands or buts about it, Texas A&M is breaking in a new qb, which as good as he is, it comes with growing pains. It's comparable to Missouri finally owning the old Big 12 North at a time when Nebraska, Kansas St, and Colorado were all three finally crap at the same time. Quote Link to comment
NUinID Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is about the stupidest thread on the board right now. The whole premise as to why players should come to NU vs. Ole Miss and MSU is that Starkville and Oxford Mississippi are crap holes and Lincoln is way nicer? We may think the deep south is a crappy place, but guess what, to all the kids playing at those schools it is home. This may be a one year anomaly anyway. Lets see if they can sustain it over 3-4 years. Besides after Muschamp gets fired who do you think the #1 candidate at Florida will be? Dan Mullen former UF assistant and current HC at MSU. Quote Link to comment
The Nebraskan Assassin Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Location has nothing to do with it.What a giant pile of horsesh#t.Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Saban and the like could coach at Alaska and kids would flock there to play.Didn't happen when he was Michigan State. Because he wasn't established yet. Quote Link to comment
The Nebraskan Assassin Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 You got it all wrong, Assassin. Where the location argument falls apart is the fact that Nebraska was an elite program for 40 years. The difference was top tier coaching. Wow, such a witty guy. Not quite sure why you're pointing the finger at me. You just summarized exactly what I've been saying throughout the entire thread. The location thing ("there's nothing to do here") is just something I've heard other Nebraska fans use as an excuse for years. Quote Link to comment
The Nebraskan Assassin Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Nebraska was ranked #5 after five games in 2010. Being highly ranked early in the season isn't that difficult. Let's see where they're ranked at the end. My guess is quite a bit down the ladder.MS State has beaten 3 straight Top 5 teams. Their schedule is brutal. That's the ONLY reason why they might not finish high in the polls. If we had their schedule we'd finish with a losing record. Is it brutal? LSU almost lost to Wisconsin who is horrible... AM is a joke, just like they were the last 10 years Sometimes you catch teams at the right time. Yeah, I guess Auburn sucks too. We'll see how "horrible" Wisconsin is when we play them. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 OK....First of all, I don't think Lincoln is lacking in much at all that most college towns offer around the country. Sure, on recruiting visits to places like Miami, UCLA and USC they can take them to the beach. But, really.....how often does a college kid go to the beach when they are busy with school and football. Here is something interesting that I looked at on recruiting and Ol Miss. I looked at the last 4 recruiting classes. Those are the players that should be contributing this year on these teams. From Scout: Team Rankings: Nebraska, 34, 34, 11, 49 Ol Miss, 27, 18, 10, 58 Other than two years ago, They are fairly similar. Over those 4 years, they had: Ol Miss 96 players averaged 3.23 stars Nebraska 87 players averaged 3.18 stars They had nine more players and slightly higher star ranking. I would honestly say the average star ranking was close enough to say it's a wash since recruiting is such a crap shoot. So, I don't really see Ol Miss getting that much better talent than Nebraska. Quote Link to comment
The Nebraskan Assassin Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I love how any program who is more successful than Nebraska is "dirty" lolz Yeah, I mean it's not like Alabama didn't just get off probation when Saban got there.... Oh wait.... http://www.footballgeography.com/college-football-fbs-and-ncaa-probation/ Your argument is invalid... Bama certainly wasn't "successful" prior to being on probation. Quote Link to comment
VectorVictor Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 $$$ for recruits and wet t-shirt contests. A behind the scenes image of an Oxford, Mississippi booster/player mixer. Quote Link to comment
The Nebraskan Assassin Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 OK....First of all, I don't think Lincoln is lacking in much at all that most college towns offer around the country. Sure, on recruiting visits to places like Miami, UCLA and USC they can take them to the beach. But, really.....how often does a college kid go to the beach when they are busy with school and football. Here is something interesting that I looked at on recruiting and Ol Miss. I looked at the last 4 recruiting classes. Those are the players that should be contributing this year on these teams. From Scout: Team Rankings: Nebraska, 34, 34, 11, 49 Ol Miss, 27, 18, 10, 58 Other than two years ago, They are fairly similar. Over those 4 years, they had: Ol Miss 96 players averaged 3.23 stars Nebraska 87 players averaged 3.18 stars They had nine more players and slightly higher star ranking. I would honestly say the average star ranking was close enough to say it's a wash since recruiting is such a crap shoot. So, I don't really see Ol Miss getting that much better talent than Nebraska. Yeah, but Ole Miss did sign the nation's #1 player in 2013(Nkemdiche) as well as some other 5-stars. Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 If you notice the recruiting rankings, that old guy that was here before did a pretty good job of recruiting to this state. How did he manage that. Serious question. We do not get the level of athletes it takes to win on the National level. We really haven't since Tom left. Why? Winning in honesty was not that much greater other than at the end of Tom's run, and it really has not been good other than on occasion since. As to LSU not being that good, they have the same excuse we use, but only much larger. In the last 5 years they have lost 27 juniors to the NFL. That is a whole recruiting class of NFL level players. The talent level in the SEC is leaps and bounds above what we have or can get. It is not just the coaching. One of the reasons for TO's success was the walk-on program. We had several starters even on the NC teams that came here as a walk-on. College costs are more than likely the biggest reason our walk-on program isn't nearly what it once was. Why go to a school paying all the costs when one can go to a lower division college and have their college costs paid by the school? Student loan debt is one of the biggest threats to our economy right now. It's quite possible in todays day and age we don't get the Mackvicka brothers, Schlesinger, Jared Tomich, Scott Shanle, etc. 30 Nebraska walk-ons have gone on to play in the NFL. I don't see this as being a list that gets much bigger primarily because college costs have gotten so burdensome that players will opt to go where they get a scholarship. 3 Quote Link to comment
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