Fall Camp Position Battles - Quarterback

[Swiv3D]

 

 

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

3/8 for 30 yards, 2 picks and one of those was a pick six from what I heard. Haven't heard anything official. Sounds like he showed the TA everyone knows and loves.

Nah, our starting db's are just that good ...

[Savage Husker]

 

 

 

is that the new technique for a shuffle pass?

 

What's a shuffle pass?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this may be what they're referring to.

 

[Redux]

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

 

That doesn't exactly scream 4th year senior to me. Come on Tommy, get it together man.

[ColoradoHusk]

Start O'Brien!!!

[Landlord]

 

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

That doesn't exactly scream 4th year senior to me. Come on Tommy, get it together man.

 

 

 

Or, you know, 5th

[lo country]

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

A couple of good things:

Chris actually got the INT

The DB's actually stopped a pass..

[Redux]

 

 

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

 

That doesn't exactly scream 4th year senior to me. Come on Tommy, get it together man.

 

Or, you know, 5th

True, I was thinking more in terms of his starts though.

[84HuskerLaw]

 

 

 

 

I think it really depends on how the early games go for me. If we start out with a couple wins and then follow with about 3 losses, then its time to look to 2017 and we give youth a chance to learn. At that point, the season is basically long term practice for the next year in essence. The conference and any other championships are out of the question. The schedule gets tougher so if we are out of the race for anything meaningful, then its time to get back to the future. POB and Bush need to play a bunch so we don't find ourselves with three consecutive losing seasons! That could easily happen if we find ourselves as we did last year on the bottom side of .500 looking up in October. Watching Tommy's swan song is not acceptable if we are losing. I honestly don't expect this BUT it is certainly possible with a rash of key injuries in the line or something. Turnovers and penalties are the great equalizers.

Riley will play the best guy, every game, as his neck is on the line.

 

LOL his neck is on the line. Maybe your line.

 

 

Even if this year flubs again, he's got another 2 before his neck is on the line.

Whether Riley is going to be fired or not, the AD should tell him to play the young guys. Period. end of discussion. Seniors can and should play if the team is competing for championships / upper half of the bowls, etc. but once the losing season becomes apparent, then you double down on the 'backups to the future' program.

I agree that we should look for ways to get young players meaningful experience. Did you mean not to play seniors at all, or just to get young guys in the game?

 

I mean we should basically swap the roles the seniors play with the backups. Let the seniors (formerly starters) play the mop up roles at the ends of games in the losing seasons. I've watched some many times as the teams who are mired in mediocrity or worse continue the same pattern of bringing in new recruits, redshirting them, letting be backups until they are juniors and seniors and then they get the playing time as 'they've earned it" and because they are the 'experienced' and have 'paid their dues' etc. To me the rule is 'the best guys play' UNLESS the team continues to not win and they are seniors. Then, they've had their chances and just didn't get it done. At that point, you move on to the younger guys with a chance to get better and to get it done. That's how you build up the program. Thisis a never ending cycle of watching the younger guys 'wait their turns' and sit around as the next class of seniors who patiently waited their turns like good little soldiers marching to die!

To say "if I was a under classman on the team and saw the starters benched because they weren't getting the job done (losing repeatedly) I'd quit the team and transfer rather than get out there and work to win or get better so the next year you maybe could win!' is part of the problem. This notion that you're entitled to have something given to you without earning it by being successful is BS. That is the mentality at the core of many of country's problems today.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

I think it really depends on how the early games go for me. If we start out with a couple wins and then follow with about 3 losses, then its time to look to 2017 and we give youth a chance to learn. At that point, the season is basically long term practice for the next year in essence. The conference and any other championships are out of the question. The schedule gets tougher so if we are out of the race for anything meaningful, then its time to get back to the future. POB and Bush need to play a bunch so we don't find ourselves with three consecutive losing seasons! That could easily happen if we find ourselves as we did last year on the bottom side of .500 looking up in October. Watching Tommy's swan song is not acceptable if we are losing. I honestly don't expect this BUT it is certainly possible with a rash of key injuries in the line or something. Turnovers and penalties are the great equalizers.

Riley will play the best guy, every game, as his neck is on the line.

 

LOL his neck is on the line. Maybe your line.

 

 

Even if this year flubs again, he's got another 2 before his neck is on the line.

Whether Riley is going to be fired or not, the AD should tell him to play the young guys. Period. end of discussion. Seniors can and should play if the team is competing for championships / upper half of the bowls, etc. but once the losing season becomes apparent, then you double down on the 'backups to the future' program.

I agree that we should look for ways to get young players meaningful experience. Did you mean not to play seniors at all, or just to get young guys in the game?

 

I mean we should basically swap the roles the seniors play with the backups. Let the seniors (formerly starters) play the mop up roles at the ends of games in the losing seasons. I've watched some many times as the teams who are mired in mediocrity or worse continue the same pattern of bringing in new recruits, redshirting them, letting be backups until they are juniors and seniors and then they get the playing time as 'they've earned it" and because they are the 'experienced' and have 'paid their dues' etc. To me the rule is 'the best guys play' UNLESS the team continues to not win and they are seniors. Then, they've had their chances and just didn't get it done. At that point, you move on to the younger guys with a chance to get better and to get it done. That's how you build up the program. Thisis a never ending cycle of watching the younger guys 'wait their turns' and sit around as the next class of seniors who patiently waited their turns like good little soldiers marching to die!

To say "if I was a under classman on the team and saw the starters benched because they weren't getting the job done (losing repeatedly) I'd quit the team and transfer rather than get out there and work to win or get better so the next year you maybe could win!' is part of the problem. This notion that you're entitled to have something given to you without earning it by being successful is BS. That is the mentality at the core of many of country's problems today.

 

 

You seem like a nice guy, but I'm glad you're not running the team.

[Husker Psycho]

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

 

I think the plan is...

 

IF TA's passing-decision making starts leading to turnovers... and that's IF...

 

Then the coaches can tweak the offence to more run plays and designed quarterback run plays... hoping that leads to fewer turnovers.

 

I think the coaching staff will attempt that first... and they will give that a really hard and sustained attempt... before sending in any backups.

 

We could even end up being a run first team again ?

 

In fact I just don't see any backups getting any playing time this year unless we are way ahead in games or unless injuries force the issue.

[ColoradoHusk]

From what I heard from reporters attending the practice, Armstrong struggled early, and then settled in and did ok. Yes, it is concerning that he is struggling as a 5th year senior and a 4-year starter, but he has time to shake off the rust and be ready for the games in September. It would be great if Armstrong would have a great camp, and there is time to turn it around.

[ColoradoHusk]

Benning discussed the Pick 6 play on his radio show this morning. He said there were 3 things that caused the INT return for the TD, which was a comeback route on the sideline.

 

1. The WR made a bad break out of his cut, and didn't come back to the ball very aggressively/downhill. Coach Williams immediately ripped into him.

2. Armstrong didn't make a great throw, as his throw was to the inside, rather than the sideline.

3. Chris Jones made a great cut on the ball and great play.

 

So, Armstrong appears to have not made an accurate throw on a sideline comeback route, but that is a long throw, and we know that Armstrong's struggles with accuracy at times. However, the pick 6 wasn't entirely Armstrong's fault, and there also should be credit given to Chris Jones. If the WR fights to the ball more, the pass is probably just broken up and the offense moves on.

[GBRFAN]

 

is that the new technique for a shuffle pass?

What's a shuffle pass?

 

A forward pass with your feet instead of hands

[Elf]

 

If we want to actually talk about the QBs....

 

Tommy is "vastly improved" this year, "mechanics are much more solid".

 

Tommy threw a pick six on the second play of 7v7 today.

 

Cue the meltdown.

I think the plan is...

 

IF TA's passing-decision making starts leading to turnovers... and that's IF...

 

Then the coaches can tweak the offence to more run plays and designed quarterback run plays... hoping that leads to fewer turnovers.

 

I think the coaching staff will attempt that first... and they will give that a really hard and sustained attempt... before sending in any backups.

 

We could even end up being a run first team again ?

 

In fact I just don't see any backups getting any playing time this year unless we are way ahead in games or unless injuries force the issue.

 

Just stop....that isn't happening with this coaching staff.

 

And weren't you the one that kept talking about reality in another thread? I think you were...this is another reality for you, this coaching staff is never going to have a run first mentality.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Elf

[84HuskerLaw]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it really depends on how the early games go for me. If we start out with a couple wins and then follow with about 3 losses, then its time to look to 2017 and we give youth a chance to learn. At that point, the season is basically long term practice for the next year in essence. The conference and any other championships are out of the question. The schedule gets tougher so if we are out of the race for anything meaningful, then its time to get back to the future. POB and Bush need to play a bunch so we don't find ourselves with three consecutive losing seasons! That could easily happen if we find ourselves as we did last year on the bottom side of .500 looking up in October. Watching Tommy's swan song is not acceptable if we are losing. I honestly don't expect this BUT it is certainly possible with a rash of key injuries in the line or something. Turnovers and penalties are the great equalizers.

Riley will play the best guy, every game, as his neck is on the line.

 

LOL his neck is on the line. Maybe your line.

 

 

Even if this year flubs again, he's got another 2 before his neck is on the line.

Whether Riley is going to be fired or not, the AD should tell him to play the young guys. Period. end of discussion. Seniors can and should play if the team is competing for championships / upper half of the bowls, etc. but once the losing season becomes apparent, then you double down on the 'backups to the future' program.

I agree that we should look for ways to get young players meaningful experience. Did you mean not to play seniors at all, or just to get young guys in the game?

 

I mean we should basically swap the roles the seniors play with the backups. Let the seniors (formerly starters) play the mop up roles at the ends of games in the losing seasons. I've watched some many times as the teams who are mired in mediocrity or worse continue the same pattern of bringing in new recruits, redshirting them, letting be backups until they are juniors and seniors and then they get the playing time as 'they've earned it" and because they are the 'experienced' and have 'paid their dues' etc. To me the rule is 'the best guys play' UNLESS the team continues to not win and they are seniors. Then, they've had their chances and just didn't get it done. At that point, you move on to the younger guys with a chance to get better and to get it done. That's how you build up the program. Thisis a never ending cycle of watching the younger guys 'wait their turns' and sit around as the next class of seniors who patiently waited their turns like good little soldiers marching to die!

To say "if I was a under classman on the team and saw the starters benched because they weren't getting the job done (losing repeatedly) I'd quit the team and transfer rather than get out there and work to win or get better so the next year you maybe could win!' is part of the problem. This notion that you're entitled to have something given to you without earning it by being successful is BS. That is the mentality at the core of many of country's problems today.

 

 

You seem like a nice guy, but I'm glad you're not running the team.

 

Really? Why? If you disagree with my points about playing seniors who are losing to the bitter end and keeping our backups on the bench until they are seniors just because they are seniors, please explain. We've been watching this for years.