The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[RedDenver]

28 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

Yes it was.  Here's an easy one.  Criminals do often have armor and weapons superior to the normal police handgun.  While there should be an intelligent debate over appropriate use of force, you won't hear it from airheads blooting out defund police.

 

You made an explicit comparison to the protesters, and now you're trying to change to a different topic.

 

But even in trying to change the topic you still managed to be disingenuous. You know who else has weapons and armor superior to the normal police handgun? The police!

[Landlord]

36 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Criminals do often have armor and weapons superior to the normal police handgun.

 

 

Which criminals and how often?

[funhusker]

@Notre Dame Joe is right.  There are many heavily armed and armored criminals.  A lot of the people committing mass shootings have an arsenal in their trunks and several people plotting massacres, like the Coast Guard guy, were busted with heavy ammunition and body armor.  The Las Vegas shooter basically had a military grade sniper nest, didn't he?

 

And it was all purchased and owned legally...

[BigRedBuster]

58 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

Yes it was.  Here's an easy one.  Criminals do often have armor and weapons superior to the normal police handgun.  While there should be an intelligent debate over appropriate use of force, you won't hear it from airheads blooting out defund police.

Maybe there also needs to be an intelligent debate over what weapons are legally sold in the US to the general public.

[Moiraine]

37 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Maybe there also needs to be an intelligent debate over what weapons are legally sold in the US to the general public.

 

 

Yes, I mentioned it somewhere that a lot of this is related to our gun laws. I know it won't happen, but at the same time there is police reform, there need to be new gun regulations.

 

But I definitely don't agree that people often have better guns and armor than police. I haven't seen any data on it yet that I'm basing that off of but based on NDJ's posting behavior and what I've seen from videos of the police lately, they are often not carrying mere handguns.

[RedDenver]

4 hours ago, knapplc said:

My lord. What a 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

 

 

[Moiraine]

^ bigger version of the above

 

 

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here without looking  and assume that CNN used some kind of weighting and Trump and his band of morons don't understand weighting.

[teachercd]

Man, history loves showing us the pictures of Presidents as they seem to age 10 years for every year in office...but Trump is going to take the cake!

 

He is losing it, like...GONE!

[Notre Dame Joe]

10 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Maybe there also needs to be an intelligent debate over what weapons are legally sold in the US to the general public.

 

It's over now that the intelligent and barely intelligent both watched nightly mobs harassing people and destroying property, and read about the police in full retreat. 

[BigRedBuster]

 

[RedDenver]

6 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

It's over now that the intelligent and barely intelligent both watched nightly mobs harassing people and destroying property, and read about the police in full retreat. 

You should go to a protest or watch the wide angle shots on TV. There was indeed some rioting and looting the first couple days, but they've been peaceful and non-destructive since. Well, except for the police rioting.

[knapplc]

Just about every one of these is perfect.

 

 

 

THIS WAS ON A FRIEND’S PAGE: An anguished question from a Trump supporter: ‘Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?’

THE SERIOUS ANSWER: Here’s what the majority of anti-Trump voters honestly feel about Trump supporters en masse:
@realDonaldTrump

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine." (

Judge finalizes $25 million Trump University settlement for students of 'sham university' The '"victims of Donald Trump’s fraudulent university will finally receive the relief they deserve," New York's attorney general said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/10/trump-university-settlement-judge-finalized/502387002/

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That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay." (

Trump Hotel Paid Millions in Fines for Unpaid Work In one case, a contractor was paid after getting a phone call from ‘Trump.’ https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hotel-paid-millions-in-fines-for-unpaid-work

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That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem." (

List of Trump's accusers and their allegations of sexual misconduct At least 17 women have accused Donald Trump of varying inappropriate behavior, including allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault. Here is a rundown. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410

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That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue." (washingtonpost.com/news/fact-chec…)

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you exclaimed, "He sure knows me." (

President Donald Trump could shoot someone in public and escape prosecution, his lawyer tells federal court One of President Donald Trump's private attorneys told a federal appeals court that Trump could not be prosecuted if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/23/president-donald-trump-could-shoot-someone-without-prosecution/4073405002/

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That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw. (

Donald Trump Slammed After Mocking Disabled Reporter Trump appeared to imitate Kovaleski, who suffers from arthrogryposis. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-criticized-after-he-appears-mock-reporter-serge-kovaleski-n470016

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That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?" (

The President Who Doesn't Read Trump’s allergy to the written word and his reliance on oral communication have proven liabilities in office. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/

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That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense." (

'They admitted their guilt': 30 years of Trump's comments about the Central Park Five Trump, now president, has doubled down on his stance that some involved in the attack were guilty. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/

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That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!" (

Trump's endorsement of violence reaches new level: He may pay legal fees for assault suspect When Donald Trump said Sunday that he might pay the legal fees of a man charged with hitting a protester in the face at one of his rallies, it was the latest of many occasions when the leading Republ… https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html

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That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!" (

Donald Trump ordered a heckler be sent out into -10C weather without a coat Donald Trump has dealt with his latest heckler in typical Trump fashion by calling for him to be sent out into the chilly climes - without a coat. After a man interrupted the Republican frontrunner's… https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-orders-protesters-coat-is-confiscated-and-he-is-sent-into-the-cold-a6802756.html

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That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!" (

Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis? In marking the one-year anniversary of a white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville, the president again fails to differentiate between bigots and those who oppose them. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-cant-trump-just-condemn-nazis/567320/

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That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be." (

Here's A List Of Countries And Leaders Trump Has Insulted Since His Election No country is safe, it seems. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-insult-foreign-countries-leaders_n_59dd2769e4b0b26332e76d57

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That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!" (

138 things Trump did this year while you weren't looking Behind the noise, here's what Trump really did this year. https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/12/29/138-trump-policy-changes-2017-000603

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That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!" (usnews.com/opinion/articl…)

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense." (washingtonpost.com/news/politics/…)

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!" (

15 times Donald Trump praised authoritarian rulers During his recent trip to the G20 summit in Japan, President Donald Trump met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. In a photo op before the meeting, Trump said this to Putin in reference to the a$$… https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/donald-trump-dictators-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin/index.html

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That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” - and you say, “Well, OK then.” (

More than 5,400 children split at border, according to new count More than 1,500 children were separated from their parents at the Mexico border early in the Trump administration, the ACLU said. That brings the total number separated since July 2017 to more than 5… https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-5-400-children-split-border-according-new-count-n1071791

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That you have witnessed all the corruption and lacking moral character, rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise. (

Confronting the Cost of Trump's Corruption to American Families - Center for American Progress President Trump is helping himself and his politically connected friends at the expense of everyone else. https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/06/04/451570/confronting-cost-trumps-corruption-american-families/

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What you don't get is that our succumbing to frustration, thinking of you as stupid, may very well be wrong, but it's also...hear me...charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.

 

[knapplc]

At some point he's going to go from rage-tweeting to desperate action. Buckle up folks.

 

 

[TGHusker]

3 hours ago, knapplc said:

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.

Bingo!  Well stated and very very true. 

[Notre Dame Joe]

6 hours ago, RedDenver said:

You should go to a protest or watch the wide angle shots on TV. There was indeed some rioting and looting the first couple days, but they've been peaceful and non-destructive since. Well, except for the police rioting.

And like every well-intentioned protest in history, it drew out the crazies who could barely articulate what they're protesting or know the basic facts of the man whose statue they are destroying.  A single shot hunting rifle, or bag of rocks, or whatever Ds currently believe the right to keep and bear arms protects, is completely useless to defend against them. 

 

OTOH the mere sight of an man standing guard with commensurate weapon is nearly 100% effective.  None of the news reels indicate they are crazy enough to charge an armed man. 

 

So while my dream is that Biden campaigns on disarming the American people, the reality is his handlers will tell him not to say a word about it.  And it will be an easy pivot for Joe because he once supported almost everything he claims to oppose.