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4 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

 

Dammit Mav! I was just coming to post that! Stop stealing my thunder!! :lol:

 

 

But the fact that Urb knew 3 years ago:

 

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Holy f#&%. I just skimmed through McMurphy's post (why the hell is he on Facebook?) and looked at the pics and screenshots. Smith is a f#&%ed up dude

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23 minutes ago, ADS said:

Health concerns incoming for Meyer.

 

It's the big one.

 

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23 minutes ago, GSG said:

Holy f#&%. I just skimmed through McMurphy's post (why the hell is he on Facebook?) and looked at the pics and screenshots. Smith is a f#&%ed up dude

Screenshots?

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I posted this in a status update. It was already established that Urban knew, I am assuming the school knew, and there were tweets about it from elevenwarriors before Urban knew spoke about it at Big Ten media days. 

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Reading that facebook article makes me sick. What a disgusting human and if Urban and staff knew they are disgusting as well. 

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She's pretty badly bruised. And that blood.

 

But her story that the police came and didn't do anything... that's not so good for CPD. Like to hear their version of those events.

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4 minutes ago, ADS said:

Bo Pelini to Ohio State.

 

2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

2020 headline - Nebraska's Maurice Washington sets all-time NCAA single-game rushing record with 527 yards against Buckeye defense

I'd celebrate Pelini to tOSU.

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9 minutes ago, jaws said:

 

I posted this in a status update. It was already established that Urban knew, I am assuming the school knew, and there were tweets about it from elevenwarriors before Urban knew spoke about it at Big Ten media days. 

 

I don't get the press. Nasrallah says, "I wrote around it for six years."

 

Why?  What possible good does that do for anyone?

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4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

2020 headline - Nebraska's Maurice Washington sets all-time NCAA single-game rushing record with 527 yards against Buckeye defense

2021 headline - Ohio State to revamp image by hiring Mike Riley and his bag of werthers.

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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

I don't get the press. Nasrallah says, "I wrote around it for six years."

 

Why?  What possible good does that do for anyone?

 

True, and if he knew, how many other people in the press knew? 

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1 minute ago, jaws said:

 

True, and if he knew, how many other people in the press knew? 

 

I respect the press. I want to trust them. But stuff like this kills me. People in Lincoln (& Omaha) know so much shady s#!t that happens in Nebraska's program, but it'll never see the papers. It's that way all across the country.  What horrors are being hidden at programs, and why? 

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Hows this for guilt tripping someone into dropping charges?

 

A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.”

Bruce, who died in April, has a special place in Meyer’s heart. Bruce succeeded Woody Hayes at Ohio State from 1979-87, posting an 81-26-1 record in nine seasons.

“He is the strongest relationship I’ve ever had other than my father,” Meyer said last week. “I’ve made that clear many, many times.”

Bruce and Zach’s mother drove from Ohio to Gainesville to ask Courtney to drop the charges, Courtney said. Courtney said she also received a call from de Fries to set up a meeting at Panera Bread on SW Archer Road in Gainesville.

Meyer and de Fries’ relationship goes back more than 20 years, when Meyer was an assistant at Colorado State in the 1990s. Unofficially, de Fries has been a professional life skills expert the past two decades. His official title at Ohio State: special assistant to the head coach.

 

de Fries seems like a real, how do you say it? Oh, yeah jackass.....

 

On a July morning in 2009, Courtney Smith sat across the table from de Fries, a former attorney and Shell Oil executive. Courtney said de Fries pressured her to drop the charges.

“He said ‘if you don’t drop the charges, Zach will never coach again,’ ” Courtney said. “ ‘He’s never hit you before. He was drinking. He’ll probably never do it again. You should think about giving him a second chance.’ “

Ultimately, Courtney said she relented to de Fries and didn’t press charges. Courtney had convinced herself this would never happen again.

She was wrong.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, theknife said:

How has ESPN not so much as referenced this news yet?

ESPN is not sports news but agenda driven sports news.  Meyer worked for them and is a favorite.  They are probably determining how to cover it.

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Ultimately these things come down to weighing success vs the PR hit of the scandal. If I'm honest, that ratio favors Urban here. 

 

That's not to downplay this at all, but that's how these things typically go.

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1 hour ago, ADS said:

2021 headline - Ohio State to revamp image by hiring Mike Riley and his bag of werthers.

Bag of Werthers is head coach, Riley to coach ice cream get togethers after practice.

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This is ugly.  Zach is a worthless excuse of a human.  And once a wife beater, always a wife beater.  Thank God this finally came out.  Those images were just one example, I'm sure there were more minor examples constantly throughout their marriage.  In any case covering it up and blatantly lying by Urban at B1G media days should be enough to kick his ass out.  If not, tOSU regards winning over morals.  

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5 minutes ago, brophog said:

Ultimately these things come down to weighing success vs the PR hit of the scandal. If I'm honest, that ratio favors Urban here. 

 

That's not to downplay this at all, but that's how these things typically go.

 

I wonder if the kicker isn't Urban's denial recently.  If he hadn't said anything and this came out, you could go for some sort of "we did internal discipline/forced him to do counseling" that might let it slide by.  But now it looks like he was blatantly lying to cover it up.  That doesn't play nearly as well.

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

2020 headline - Nebraska's Maurice Washington sets all-time NCAA single-game rushing record with 527 yards against Buckeye defense in the first half.

I finished the headline for you.

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1 minute ago, Mavric said:

 

I wonder if the kicker isn't Urban's denial recently.  If he hadn't said anything and this came out, you could go for some sort of "we did internal discipline/forced him to do counseling" that might let it slide by.  But now it looks like he was blatantly lying to cover it up.  That doesn't play nearly as well.

 

I totally agree. 

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Ohio State can move on without Urban Meyer. They showed as much getting Meyer post Tressell. Meyer isn’t untouchable and the athletic department and school will not shake this if they retain him. Every other program is already thinking of ways to spin the negative recruiting.

 

Gotta consider what is going through the minds of parents of daughters who just attend OSU and know that a school won’t protect them from a player because Urban protects the player. 

 

Then think about the moms he talks to on the recruiting trail. The university can move on, but Urban Meyer won’t.

 

buhbye

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I think Urban survives this but it just goes to show what is wrong with him and college football in general. 

 

It is all about winning and $$$. Occasionally a scandal is too large to ignore(Baylor, Penn State). Urban will apologize, or get his wife to make a statement that she never shared those texts with Urban. He will take some time off to "reevaluate" and then come back preaching he is a better man. Ohio state will throw some money at domestic violence charities and just keep on going.

 

The problem wont be solved. Even if Urban is remorseful, he still let someone work under him after he did that. I believe in second chances, but this wasnt Zach's first altercation, nor will it be his last. I understand not throwing the guy to the wolves at the time if you truly dont think that is who he is. But you cant let him coach. You can help support him and get him help, but you cant just let him continue to shape young athletes. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Savage Husker said:

Ohio State can move on without Urban Meyer. They showed as much getting Meyer post Tressell. Meyer isn’t untouchable and the athletic department and school will not shake this if they retain him. Every other program is already thinking of ways to spin the negative recruiting.

 

Gotta consider what is going through the minds of parents of daughters who just attend OSU and know that a school won’t protect them from a player because Urban protects the player. 

 

Then think about the moms he talks to on the recruiting trail. The university can move on, but Urban Meyer won’t.

 

buhbye

I think you're right here.  I see Meyer being canned due to this, there's no way around it.

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13 minutes ago, HuskerInLostWages said:

I think you're right here.  I see Meyer being canned due to this, there's no way around it.

 

Someone is going to have to make a very unpopular decision either way. We are in a very dead period in the sports news cycle, so this story will have some buzz for a few days, but we are heading into a very busy part of the cycle pretty shortly. 

 

These sorts of stories get very hot, develop a sort of internet mob, but often times die off. 

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2 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

I respect the press. I want to trust them. But stuff like this kills me. People in Lincoln (& Omaha) know so much shady s#!t that happens in Nebraska's program, but it'll never see the papers. It's that way all across the country.  What horrors are being hidden at programs, and why? 

 

Self-preservation. I don't mean to overly simplify the equation, but this is capitalism at work. The coach's job security and paycheck depends on winning, which leads to putting ethical behavior as a lower priority -- meanwhile the journalists job security and paycheck depends on keeping the powerful people (coaches) around them happy, so they can keep access to the program to write good stories, which leads to the existence of 'beat' writers who can't afford to risk their own necks. Everyone not well off in the equation has gotta put food on the table, and everyone in positions of power in the equation also have the intoxicating effect of the Ego, which can supersede everything else.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, theknife said:

How has ESPN not so much as referenced this news yet?

 

ESPN fired McMurphy - they probably don't want to blatantly advertise that someone they let go is still breaking important news on his own without an employer.

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2 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Self-preservation. I don't mean to overly simplify the equation, but this is capitalism at work. The coach's job security and paycheck depends on winning, which leads to putting ethical behavior as a lower priority -- meanwhile the journalists job security and paycheck depends on keeping the powerful people (coaches) around them happy, so they can keep access to the program to write good stories, which leads to the existence of 'beat' writers who can't afford to risk their own necks. Everyone not well off in the equation has gotta put food on the table, and everyone in positions of power in the equation also have the intoxicating effect of the Ego, which can supersede everything else.

 

That's likely all true, but it's still an abrogation of their 4th Estate duties. 

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25 minutes ago, brophog said:

 

Someone is going to have to make a very unpopular decision either way. We are in a very dead period in the sports news cycle, so this story will have some buzz for a few days, but we are heading into a very busy part of the cycle pretty shortly. 

 

These sorts of stories get very hot, develop a sort of internet mob, but often times die off. 

According to some Buckeye fans, Urban and Shelly both sat down with the Smiths in regards to the marital problems back in 2015, even the fans are starting to believe that Urban knew about this and lied.  It's definitely not looking good for him.

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forgot to add the time frame.

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20 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

Self-preservation. I don't mean to overly simplify the equation, but this is capitalism at work. The coach's job security and paycheck depends on winning, which leads to putting ethical behavior as a lower priority -- meanwhile the journalists job security and paycheck depends on keeping the powerful people (coaches) around them happy, so they can keep access to the program to write good stories, which leads to the existence of 'beat' writers who can't afford to risk their own necks. Everyone not well off in the equation has gotta put food on the table, and everyone in positions of power in the equation also have the intoxicating effect of the Ego, which can supersede everything else.

 

 

 

 

 

ESPN fired McMurphy - they probably don't want to blatantly advertise that someone they let go is still breaking important news on his own without an employer.

He's also just awaiting the end of this month to take a new job with The Athletic.  His non compete clause ends August 31st and they don't want anyone to know one of their former employee's is actually breaking a big time story against one of their media darlings(and former co workers) after they let him go.

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Is Zach Smith alleging mutual violence?

 

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Statement from Brad Koffel, Zach Smith's attorney, to ESPN's Dan Murphy: "Zach Smith wants to be as transparent and honest as possible but it is not going to be done today through the media. It will only be after he and his ex-wife are sworn in to testify. Once he gets his chance to tell his side of events, don’t be surprised when it is corroborated by every police who ever responded to Ms. Smith’s calls."

 

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