RedDenver Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: The referenced Newsweek article has more context: Quote Though this study's approach did not determine any significant benefits to implementing mandatory lockdowns, others have shown that lockdowns have saved millions of lives. A study published by researchers at Imperial College London in June found that some 3.1 million deaths had been averted due to lockdowns across Europe early on in the pandemic, Reuters reported. Additional research found that 530 million coronavirus infections had been avoided due to early lockdowns in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France and the United States, according to the news outlet. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, RedDenver said: The referenced Newsweek article has more context: Begs to question which study and model is to be believed. Newsweek references two with opposing views. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2016822 says they are wrong but can be useful. 2 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Begs to question which study and model is to be believed. No matter which you choose, if you publicize that choice, someone will tell you that you are full of sh*t and have no idea what you are talking about. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: No matter which you choose, if you publicize that choice, someone will tell you that you are full of sh*t and have no idea what you are talking about. So true 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 More confirmation. 2 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Been saying this for quite awhile now on this forum. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/01/06/peds.2020-048090.full.pdf We examined 11 school districts with nearly 100,000 students/staff open for 9 weeks of in- person instruction, tracking secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2; within-school infections were extremely rare. Each case was independently adjudicated for community or within-school acquisition by local health departments. … No instances of child-to-adult transmission of SARS-CoV-2 were reported within schools. chools can stay open safely in communities with widespread community transmission. And this.... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/when-covid-19-closed-schools-black-hispanic-poor-kids-took-n1249352 2 Link to comment
funhusker Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Been saying this for quite awhile now on this forum. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/01/06/peds.2020-048090.full.pdf We examined 11 school districts with nearly 100,000 students/staff open for 9 weeks of in- person instruction, tracking secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2; within-school infections were extremely rare. Each case was independently adjudicated for community or within-school acquisition by local health departments. … No instances of child-to-adult transmission of SARS-CoV-2 were reported within schools. chools can stay open safely in communities with widespread community transmission. And this.... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/when-covid-19-closed-schools-black-hispanic-poor-kids-took-n1249352 Wonder if all 11 districts had mask mandates along with disinfecting protocols. In-person learning, for a multitude of reasons, is preferable to Zoom. 1 Link to comment
commando Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Been saying this for quite awhile now on this forum. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/01/06/peds.2020-048090.full.pdf We examined 11 school districts with nearly 100,000 students/staff open for 9 weeks of in- person instruction, tracking secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2; within-school infections were extremely rare. Each case was independently adjudicated for community or within-school acquisition by local health departments. … No instances of child-to-adult transmission of SARS-CoV-2 were reported within schools. chools can stay open safely in communities with widespread community transmission. And this.... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/when-covid-19-closed-schools-black-hispanic-poor-kids-took-n1249352 my wife and i got covid from my niece and/or nephew. they got it at school. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, commando said: my wife and i got covid from my niece and/or nephew. they got it at school. I have an employee who ended up in intensive care with it. He's very high risk and literally just stays home. His wife doesn't go anywhere other than to grocery shop...etc because she didn't want to get it and bring it home. The only way they can figure he got it is from one of the kids from school. Their daughter who is still in HS tested positive also. I also know an athletic trainer at one of the largest HSs in Kansas. He said the school has done everything they can to keep positive cases hush hush so their athletics wouldn't miss games. So...yeah....I'm not really buying that schools are quite as safe as they are trying to say. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I have an employee who ended up in intensive care with it. He's very high risk and literally just stays home. His wife doesn't go anywhere other than to grocery shop...etc because she didn't want to get it and bring it home. The only way they can figure he got it is from one of the kids from school. Their daughter who is still in HS tested positive also. I also know an athletic trainer at one of the largest HSs in Kansas. He said the school has done everything they can to keep positive cases hush hush so their athletics wouldn't miss games. So...yeah....I'm not really buying that schools are quite as safe as they are trying to say. The science and data is saying otherwise. I know KS HS’s are having Covid cases. I have a senior in large KS HS who plays sports. I also know the biggest issues those teams are having is kids catching Covid outside of school settings. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: The science and data is saying otherwise. I know KS HS’s are having Covid cases. I have a senior in large KS HS who plays sports. I also know the biggest issues those teams are having is kids catching Covid outside of school settings. How do you know unless the schools are being honest? To be clear, I think the truth is somewhere in between. I think it's worse than some people want you to believe, but it's not this mega super spreader situation that everyone feared when schools went back to in class learning. They would be if the schools hadn't put in rules on masks wearing, sanitation..etc. 2 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: How do you know unless the schools are being honest? To be clear, I think the truth is somewhere in between. I think it's worse than some people want you to believe, but it's not this mega super spreader situation that everyone feared when schools went back to in class learning. They would be if the schools hadn't put in rules on masks wearing, sanitation..etc. Studies like these traced each case. Through the patient not the school I believe 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, knapplc said: Hand in hand with this, is this: 2 Link to comment
suh_fan93 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Time to go. O.k. then. Here we go. Link to comment
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