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33 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I feel like "frequency of posting about a subject" doesn't equal caring about it.

 

For example, you've been pretty open about not caring about politics, and that people who do care are dorks, but you're one of the more prolific posters in P&R. Isn't that just because there's something to talk about and you like posting on message boards, and not you being a politics dork?

Not frequency, length.  But I am a super dork, no doubt.

 

And, I agree with the bolded, thank you.

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5 hours ago, ActualCornHusker said:

Jesus... He has spoke openly about what he believes twitter SHOULD BE, which one could infer would be how he will plan to have it run.

Inference is what we're all doing here... :confucius 

 

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And not to obsess over the tweet, but you seem to be so caught up on it. When he says "censorship that goes far beyond the law" I interpret that more as an accusation of the way social media is currently being run rather than getting hung up on the word "far"

No, I'm simply interested in how what Elon says translates into reality. Nothing more. I simply think there's room for nuance to consider here and you're trying to twist that into something else for some odd reason.

 

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you've chosen to fixate on a single word of a single tweet because that fits into your ideological presuppositions./quote]

 

No this is what you want to be true and it isn't. Remember when you told me to read the first sentence of the tweet again (as if that was that) and you want to lecture me on fixation?

 

I'm just going with the flow and interested to see what happens. Nothing more. I don't have any presuppositions about anything and it's bizarre to think I do based on my post that kickstarted this whole diatribe.

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2 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I'm just amazed at the amount of people that are super excited to "get their Twitter back."  I just find it strange that people are this addicted to social media that they are finally feeling like their voices will be heard again. 

 

Have fun, I guess...

 

 

Amen...

 

I am guessing that 99.5% of people on twitter are what most people would consider to be insignificant, when it comes to their voice and opinions and s#!t like that.

 

Basically you either have to be a blazing hot girl or already be famous.  

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20 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I'm just amazed at the amount of people that are super excited to "get their Twitter back."  I just find it strange that people are this addicted to social media that they are finally feeling like their voices will be heard again. 

 

 

It's just another ideological battleground. It's not at all about that - it's just an avatar for winning the culture wars. It's funny because right-wing folks bemoan how the left tries to turn everything into power dynamics and identity politics....then they turn around and celebrate a W in an environment like this that doesn't really mean much, but is perceived as a victory for their group.

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24 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Amen...

 

I am guessing that 99.5% of people on twitter are what most people would consider to be insignificant, when it comes to their voice and opinions and s#!t like that.

 

Basically you either have to be a blazing hot girl or already be famous.  

Most people have been b!^@hing about the same issues to the same people.  It’s just been in person.

 

….or on Facebook

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

It's just another ideological battleground. It's not at all about that - it's just an avatar for winning the culture wars. It's funny because right-wing folks bemoan how the left tries to turn everything into power dynamics and identity politics....then they turn around and celebrate a W in an environment like this that doesn't really mean much, but is perceived as a victory for their group.

 

Identity politics is such a funny complaint coming from the American right. It's died down now in favor of "radical socialism" but it was always ridiculous because they did the same thing, just focused on white, Christian identity politics.

 

A necessary component of the censorship discussion is that the American right LOVES playing the victim card 24/7 even when they haven't actually been victimized. Certainly not on Twitter. They haven't been shadowbanned. They either got regular banned by breaking terms of service (generally very obviously for cause) or their opinions just sucked and weren't popular.

For a crowd so centered on machismo, they would certainly be taken a lot more seriously if they stopped acting like petulant whiners all the time.

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16 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Identity politics is such a funny complaint coming from the American right. It's died down now in favor of "radical socialism" but it was always ridiculous because they did the same thing, just focused on white, Christian identity politics.

 

A necessary component of the censorship discussion is that the American right LOVES playing the victim card 24/7 even when they haven't actually been victimized. Certainly not on Twitter. They haven't been shadowbanned. They either got regular banned by breaking terms of service (generally very obviously for cause) or their opinions just sucked and weren't popular.

For a crowd so centered on machismo, they would certainly be taken a lot more seriously if they stopped acting like petulant whiners all the time.

 

Shadowbanning is a real thing and popularity is largely based on who the algorithm is supposed to push and who to supress.

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3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Actually, scientists did tout the ability to stop infection when the vaccines first came out.  

 

A lot of people said a lot of wrong stuff, including Joe Biden much more recently, but I only remember the scientists waving their arms and trying to curtail that expectation. 

 

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1 minute ago, Redux said:

 

Shadowbanning is a real thing and popularity is largely based on who the algorithm is supposed to push and who to supress.

 

If you have any more reliable info on this I'd appreciate it. Looking into it, all it yielded was a lot of unsubstantiated allegations, a story by Vice that alleged it was occuring and a NYT article stating it was not. Closest I can find is Republicans mad their name was not auto-populating into the "suggested accounts" when you search for someone on Twitter - but that you can STILL go to their page directly and view all of their tweets.

 

If that's the case it's another example of Republicans feeling victimized about something I can't really pretend to care about.

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3 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

Scientists, politicians and celebrities all touted the vaccine as prevention not palliative. I am sure you don't need examples.

 

As to the rest of your assertions there are examples giving your views credence, but enough other information to render it less than definitive.

 

I did what I felt was best for me and mine, and didn't raise a stink if others followed my example or not.

 

 

 

If the question was whether Alex Berenson was wrong or misleading --- and it was --- I think I've answered it. 


I'd also suggest his level of certainty, outrage, and shoutiness was unwarranted, and thus this meme shouldn't be shared so triumphantly. 

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5 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

A lot of people said a lot of wrong stuff, including Joe Biden much more recently, but I only remember the scientists waving their arms and trying to curtail that expectation. 

 

For what’s it worth, I believe initially the vaccines did prohibit transmission at a very high rate.  Unfortunately, they weren’t and still aren’t even with boosters long lasting at preventing transmission and Delta didn’t help any.   It’s still a good vaccine and has saved millions of lives across the globe IMO 

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