To all that didn't want to run the option!

[TGHusker]

54 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

the option is a viable scheme and attack. We'd be unique, hard to prepare for, keep the defense fresh, and wear opposing defenses down. There's no reason why it wouldn't be effective

As long as we have the "Jimmies and the Joes" to quote an infamous coach.  Get our pipeline back and stability at RB- it could work as a part of the O. 

[Lorewarn]

9 hours ago, Jeremy said:

To everyone saying it's just a 'wrinkle': bullcrap.  First of all, Frost has been calling read options since the first play against cu in '18. And we've ran the crap out of that and variations of it. That's option football. 

 

While that's technically right, it's clearly not what anyone has ever said they don't want to run, and isn't the point of the topic at all, so..

[Jeremy]

1 hour ago, Lorewarn said:

 

While that's technically right, it's clearly not what anyone has ever said they don't want to run, and isn't the point of the topic at all, so..

Granted. But who doesn't want to run triple option, and why?

[Jeremy]

1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

As long as we have the "Jimmies and the Joes" to quote an infamous coach.  Get our pipeline back and stability at RB- it could work as a part of the O. 

Absolutely, 100% agreed. To continue the point further, though, when it comes to Jimmies and Joes, it's obvious that trying to recruit against Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and even Iowa is quite difficult. Ohio State is ALWAYS going to get the best guys for their type of spread offense. We aren't going to get a Chris Olave over them, or Stroud. 

 

But with an option offense, we aren't going for the same types of guys. We wouldn't need to recruit against those teams for 4/5-star QB's and WR's. I think we'd be okay with the pipeline and running backs, because there's a lot of run-blocking, easy assignments, and the backs get the ball a lot. 

 

Option offenses, while requiring athleticism, still take a lot of pressure off of quarterbacks with simple plays and simple reads. If they can throw to a wide-open guy downfield, they pass in an option offense. 

 

I don't mean to put a damper on last night, because it was great. But the yolo-bomb to Toure to start the game is getting picked off by Michigan and Ohio State's safeties 9 times out of 10. We won't be able to push anyone else around to make gaping holes with 11 and 10 personnel and zone blocking schemes. Martinez isn't going to have time to sit in the pocket like that against any team left on the schedule.  I hope I'm wrong, but the Michigan State game is really best-case what we'll see in terms of competitiveness against the top tier of the B1G. 

[ZRod]

15 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

Granted. But who doesn't want to run triple option, and why?

An option bases scheme out of a flexbone is never going to win championships in modern P5 football. The best teams are too fast and athletic for it to be effective. You still have to be balanced with the power running game, play action, and have WRs who can loosen up a defense. And you will never ever attract the talent to win a championship with that kind of play. It doesn't translate to the pros.

 

If TO kept coaching this is probably close to where we would have ended up. This offense is based on misdirection and trying to make the defense wrong. Something he was a master of. We utilize multiple types of option plays (and always have) to make the defense wrong; Read option, speed option, load option, triple option, counter option, and RPOs all out of multiple formations. Like the Nebraska of old though, we need a strong base running game for them to be effective. But with the athletic playing field having so much parity now you can't just lean on top teams with the run and wear them down like 90s teams did, which is why we have to have a balanced passing attack with competent QB, TEs, and WRs.

[BigRedBuster]

14 minutes ago, ZRod said:

An option bases scheme out of a flexbone is never going to win championships in modern P5 football. The best teams are too fast and athletic for it to be effective. You still have to be balanced with the power running game, play action, and have WRs who can loosen up a defense. And you will never ever attract the talent to win a championship with that kind of play. It doesn't translate to the pros.

 

If TO kept coaching this is probably close to where we would have ended up. This offense is based on misdirection and trying to make the defense wrong. Something he was a master of. We utilize multiple types of option plays (and always have) to make the defense wrong; Read option, speed option, load option, triple option, counter option, and RPOs all out of multiple formations. Like the Nebraska of old though, we need a strong base running game for them to be effective. But with the athletic playing field having so much parity now you can't just lean on top teams with the run and wear them down like 90s teams did, which is why we have to have a balanced passing attack with competent QB, TEs, and WRs.

TO has said that himself. 

[Jeremy]

3 minutes ago, ZRod said:

An option bases scheme out of a flexbone is never going to win championships in modern P5 football. The best teams are too fast and athletic for it to be effective. You still have to be balanced with the power running game, play action, and have WRs who can loosen up a defense. And you will never ever attract the talent to win a championship with that kind of play. It doesn't translate to the pros.

 

If TO kept coaching this is probably close to where we would have ended up. This offense is based on misdirection and trying to make the defense wrong. Something he was a master of. We utilize multiple types of option plays (and always have) to make the defense wrong; Read option, speed option, load option, triple option, counter option, and RPOs all out of multiple formations. Like the Nebraska of old though, we need a strong base running game for them to be effective. But with the athletic playing field having so much parity now you can't just lean on top teams with the run and wear them down like 90s teams did, which is why we have to have a balanced passing attack with competent QB, TEs, and WRs.

I can agree with some of this. The problem is that we aren't ever going to attract better talent than Ohio State or Michigan. Or Penn State. I would contend that we would definitely be able to attract good offensive line talent as well as running backs. We could get a few good receivers, but we could spend more time and money recruiting the best defensive prospects, because we aren't worried about going after Trevor Lawrence or CJ Stroud. 

 

We would be different. Unique, hard to prepare for. Run right, the option offense chews a lot of clock. We would keep our defense fresh and their offense off the field. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Everything worked yesterday, including the yolo bombs. 
 

nobody was against the option. Just one dimensional offenses. That was very modern football yesterday, frost showing all his coaching influences

[RedDenver]

I'm always amused when we run a few successful option plays and then there's this massive push by some Husker fans to go back to the option offense.

[MasterPulverizer]

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

I'm always amused when we run a few successful option plays and then there's this massive push by some Husker fans to go back to the option offense.

No kidding.  There are a lot of people taking victory laps based on one comment they made from three months ago.

[Hedley Lamarr]

13 hours ago, ZRod said:

An option bases scheme out of a flexbone is never going to win championships in modern P5 football. The best teams are too fast and athletic for it to be effective. You still have to be balanced with the power running game, play action, and have WRs who can loosen up a defense. And you will never ever attract the talent to win a championship with that kind of play. It doesn't translate to the pros.

 

If TO kept coaching this is probably close to where we would have ended up. This offense is based on misdirection and trying to make the defense wrong. Something he was a master of. We utilize multiple types of option plays (and always have) to make the defense wrong; Read option, speed option, load option, triple option, counter option, and RPOs all out of multiple formations. Like the Nebraska of old though, we need a strong base running game for them to be effective. But with the athletic playing field having so much parity now you can't just lean on top teams with the run and wear them down like 90s teams did, which is why we have to have a balanced passing attack with competent QB, TEs, and WRs.

TO would be running exactly what Coastal Carolina currently runs. 

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

TO would be running exactly what Coastal Carolina currently runs. 

Have to admit, haven't watched too many Coastal Carolina games.  What do they run?

[Hedley Lamarr]

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Have to admit, haven't watched too many Coastal Carolina games.  What do they run?

Jamey Chadwell breaks down spread-option offense (usatoday.com) This is part of the reason that I have suggested Jamey Chadwell is who I would want at NU if Frost cant get this booger turned around. 

[Hedley Lamarr]

Here is another article that goes over Jamey Chadwell's offense. NEVER STOP SCORING: The Coastal Carolina Offense - by Ben Kirst - UB In 5 (substack.com)

[Xmas32]

I, like most folks first saw Coastal Carolina when they played BYU last year and have since seen them play a few times this year (Buffalo where they moved the ball a ton but had some miscues, UMass and ULM both blow outs).  They are a ton of fun to watch and I'm excited to see them play App State in a couple weeks which will be a really nice test and I imagine they'll play ULL in the Sun Belt title game should both teams hold serve.  The one thing I'm always curious about is how these QBs do when they have to go through their progressions, so many times the scheme has guys running just wide open so it's tough to tell how good the QB is.  It would be terrific if Coastal ran the table again and were able to play themselves into a NY6 game against a big time P5 opponent.