BYU

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

I quite disagree on your assessments of talent levels....

 

I went over BYU's 22 deep. Please understand. If you think BYU's players are at or below average then you have been fooling yourselves. That program is defiantly about average in the running back spots after loosing a 3000 yard back to red shirt, but the O Line is healthy, large and physically impressive. They did not dominate Texas' #3, #5, #15 #10 and #21 recruiting classes because they can't play.

 

RECEIVER GROUP

 

All run 4.5 or better. FYI 40 x's are often misunderstood. Little 4.3 guys in pads are usually slower than big 4.5 guys in pads. Long legged guys take fewer strides to cover more ground. BYU' main outside X and Z group go 200-215 lbs and stand 6-6-1/2, 6'-5-1/2, 6'5, 6'4, 6'3, 6'2 and 6'-1. The hybrid H/Y receivers go from small 5'9 4.4 guys to true Y slots who are 6'5 and 6'4 respectively. The 3rd string Y is 6'1 and a 4.39 guy. BYU has the tallest and one of thd fastest receiver groups in the country. You are kidding yourself if you think these are really just 2 star kids. I spent some time braking them down on film. Fast, tall, great hands. They are at receiver group 3 deep in 4 positions what USC wishes it was.

 

Linebackers... They were young, did not play well as a unit last year. Too much free lancing, not enough duscipline. But talent was not an issue. The add several newbies this year including a walk on that turned down full rides at Purdue, Houston, aTm and most Texas programs. He has already made the 2 dep as a freshman, runs a 4.5 40, is 6'4-1/2, 227 and tackles like a freight train. He will play behind a 4.55 guy. The first 4 MLB'S are 4.6 or faster, 6'1, 6'-3, 240-245 types, much more disciplined this year. The other to OLB on the Weak side are 6'4-225, Kyle Van Noy type and 6'4-246 (both NFL 4.5 40 types). These guys would play in the B1G, PAC or SEC.

 

I am not going through every position group. We know Nebraska has quality players in most positions as well. I just think a lot of Nebraska fans are making the mistake if thinking BYU is a little better than Wyoming or Northern Illinois. That is not the case.

 

They are smart as well. Their SINE is nasty. Two of last year's starters are 2nd string this year they have developed so much more depth. 5 of their first seven defensive lineman are Polynesians...hard nosed dudes.

 

Again, I predict Nebraska wins. Been saying that all along. But the opponent here is better than most of the rest o DC the teams on Nebraska's schedule, especially on offense. Lincoln is a big benefit. But BYU has won some big games on the road as well. Just say'n.

 

I've spent 33 season as a FB writer. They are a big time program, not Iowa State or Southern Miss. The star ranking are poof and made for fan fodder and advertising sales. It's not that meaningful in terms of why teams really win. But skating that mythological dragon is impossible. Fans will believe the absolute crap fans want to believe.

So why weren't they in the playoffs? Only because Hill got hurt?

The defense was horrible last year. The back up QB could move the chains and put points on the board, but it did not matter. Every QB BYU faced had a career day.

 

Bronco seems to pick lots of horrible DCs, but when he takes back over there is normally a big improvement right away. BYU fans are hoping that trend continues and our AD takes a more active roll next time Bronco want's to get a new DC.

 

I think most posters here are on the same page about what to expect for the game. I don't think the OP is trying to say BYU should be expected to rule the CFB world. He is just pointing out they have some talent. Some of the posters here seem to expect a Sunbelt team with an athletic QB. But like I said, I think most posters here, (both BYU and Nebraska fans) seem to be on the same page.

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Why was Armstrong's completion % low last year? I did not catch any Nebraska games last year. Plenty of highlights look like the guy can really throw the deep ball and has a strong arm, but the intermediate passes seem to go all over the place. Is that fair to say? How is he looking in camp?

 

His running ability is really scary to watch. If he gets going with the passing game too, he will be a nightmare to defend.

When you start combining poor footwork and dropped passes, completion percentages plummet. Last year Tommy actually struggled with deep passes as well. He threw quite a few passes deep that were 10 yards overthrown. We are all hopeful that working with the QB whisperer has fixed some of the mechanical issues. The other part of the problem is he refused to find wide open receivers at times. He can run plenty well.

[IvoryTorpedo]

I think what will surprise Nebraska fans and players the most is how physical BYU will play. Unlike a Sun Belt team, even Nebraska isn't going to be able to just push BYU around. You're going to actually have to outplay them to win.

[HuskerNBigD]

I quite disagree on your assessments of talent levels....

I went over BYU's 22 deep. Please understand. If you think BYU's players are at or below average then you have been fooling yourselves. That program is defiantly about average in the running back spots after loosing a 3000 yard back to red shirt, but the O Line is healthy, large and physically impressive. They did not dominate Texas' #3, #5, #15 #10 and #21 recruiting classes because they can't play.

RECEIVER GROUP

All run 4.5 or better. FYI 40 x's are often misunderstood. Little 4.3 guys in pads are usually slower than big 4.5 guys in pads. Long legged guys take fewer strides to cover more ground. BYU' main outside X and Z group go 200-215 lbs and stand 6-6-1/2, 6'-5-1/2, 6'5, 6'4, 6'3, 6'2 and 6'-1. The hybrid H/Y receivers go from small 5'9 4.4 guys to true Y slots who are 6'5 and 6'4 respectively. The 3rd string Y is 6'1 and a 4.39 guy. BYU has the tallest and one of thd fastest receiver groups in the country. You are kidding yourself if you think these are really just 2 star kids. I spent some time braking them down on film. Fast, tall, great hands. They are at receiver group 3 deep in 4 positions what USC wishes it was.

Linebackers... They were young, did not play well as a unit last year. Too much free lancing, not enough duscipline. But talent was not an issue. The add several newbies this year including a walk on that turned down full rides at Purdue, Houston, aTm and most Texas programs. He has already made the 2 dep as a freshman, runs a 4.5 40, is 6'4-1/2, 227 and tackles like a freight train. He will play behind a 4.55 guy. The first 4 MLB'S are 4.6 or faster, 6'1, 6'-3, 240-245 types, much more disciplined this year. The other to OLB on the Weak side are 6'4-225, Kyle Van Noy type and 6'4-246 (both NFL 4.5 40 types). These guys would play in the B1G, PAC or SEC.

I am not going through every position group. We know Nebraska has quality players in most positions as well. I just think a lot of Nebraska fans are making the mistake if thinking BYU is a little better than Wyoming or Northern Illinois. That is not the case.

They are smart as well. Their SINE is nasty. Two of last year's starters are 2nd string this year they have developed so much more depth. 5 of their first seven defensive lineman are Polynesians...hard nosed dudes.

Again, I predict Nebraska wins. Been saying that all along. But the opponent here is better than most of the rest o DC the teams on Nebraska's schedule, especially on offense. Lincoln is a big benefit. But BYU has won some big games on the road as well. Just say'n.

I've spent 33 season as a FB writer. They are a big time program, not Iowa State or Southern Miss. The star ranking are poof and made for fan fodder and advertising sales. It's not that meaningful in terms of why teams really win. But skating that mythological dragon is impossible. Fans will believe the absolute crap fans want to believe.

I've spent 0 years as a FB writer, but I have spent 25 years considering BYU to be a mid-major. Nothing's going change that.

 

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[Landlord]

I think what will surprise Nebraska fans and players the most is how physical BYU will play. Unlike a Sun Belt team, even Nebraska isn't going to be able to just push BYU around. You're going to actually have to outplay them to win.

 

 

 

That won't be surprising as it's very obviously expected.

[Blackshirt316]

Doubt any Husker fan thinks BYU is comparable to a sunbelt or cusa team.

 

That said the the talent level of BYU is very much comparable to Illinois.

[Decked]

Doubt any Husker fan thinks BYU is comparable to a sunbelt or cusa team.

 

That said the the talent level of BYU is very much comparable to Illinois.

I'd say more along the lines of Minnesota with a better QB.

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Or maybe Iowa with touchdown Jesus at quarterback.

[ScottyIce]

What is wrong with you guys? They have some nice players and a good QB. They aren't better than the well oiled machine called Nebraska.

[RedDenver]

I think what will surprise Nebraska fans and players the most is how physical BYU will play. Unlike a Sun Belt team, even Nebraska isn't going to be able to just push BYU around. You're going to actually have to outplay them to win.

Keep in mind NU pushed around Miami last year, so BYU better be physical, which is what I'd expect from BYU. Should be a good game, but I expect NU has the talent edge in the trenches which will be the difference.

[Mavric]

[WindowCoug]

What is wrong with you guys? They have some nice players and a good QB. They aren't better than the well oiled machine called Nebraska.

Haha. I don't think anybody sounds scared.

 

In an average year, BYU is probably somewhere in the middle 1/3 of P5 teams. If I had to really guess where they should go, I think their average year would be a little lower than the half.

 

Here is the thing about BYU's talent that makes it hard to compare to the schools you guys listed. BYU has some players that will come no matter who else offers them. That means BYU will normally have a handful of guys with talent that you would normally only see at top tier programs.

 

It gives them a higher ceiling and some years, when it all comes together, the team has the potential to be elite. It's been years since I would say this, but there is actually some hope this may be one of those years. But there is nothing to point at and say it's more than hope yet.

[WindowCoug]

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[RedDenver]

There's a awful lot of time for BYU to make a comeback.

[Verin]

All the above, plus BYU's coach is named BRONCO. Closer than the experts think.

[NUance]

 

5 of their first seven defensive lineman are Polynesians...hard nosed dudes.

 

 

 

There seems to be a lot of Polynesians on the BYU roster. Any reason for this?

 

 

A lot of Mormon missions have gone to that part of the world. As a result there are a lot of Mormon Polynesians. That's all I can think of.