Paris attacks

[huskers15]

What are moderate Muslims supposed to do? Wage war against ISIS? That is an unfair expectation and unrealistic. Yes, ISIS is a Muslim faction. Yes, they commit atrocities in the "name of Islam". Like Moraine mentioned above, the reason they feel the need or ability to commit these acts is because of a lack of stability and moderate power in that part of the world. I'm sure there are groups of Christians in this country, who if not held in check by a stable government/military, would round up homosexuals by the 10's of thousands to execute them. Actually, I'm pretty sure that group had a rally in Iowa last week with a few Presidential candidates attending (link). BTW: I'm Christian, and this is me denouncing that group in Iowa. About all I can do except vote, I'm not sure ISIS is running a democracy though.

 

Like others have said, it isn't about "religion". It is about a group of extremists who use a religion as cover to wage a disgusting and inhuman war against anyone who wants to take their power away.

 

Moderate Muslims can denounce it, and they have. But not many pay attention to the 99.99% of peaceful Muslims, because well, it just doesn't fit a narrative.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslim-leaders-worldwide-condemn-isis/5397364

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-ramadan-war-muslim-leaders-condemn-islamic-state-attacks-call-holy-month-time-1990904

 

Just use that Google tool and type in "Muslims denounce ISIS" that list is not short.....

The Political Violence of the Bible and the Koran

 

By Bill Warner

 

One of the most frequently used arguments in the defense of Islam is that the Bible is just as violent as the Koran. The logic goes like this. If the Koran is no more violent than the Bible, then why should we worry about Islam? This argument suggests that Islam is the same as Christianity and Judaism. This is false, but the analogy is very popular since it allows someone who knows nothing about the actual doctrine of Islam to talk about it. "See, Islam is like Christianity; Christians are just as violent as Muslims." If this is true, then you don't have to learn anything about the actual Islamic doctrine.

 

 

However, this is not a theological argument. It is a political one. This argument is not about what goes on in a house of worship, but what goes on the in the marketplace of ideas.

 

 

Now, is the doctrine of Islam more violent than the Koran? There is only one way to prove or disprove the comparison, and that is to measure the differences in violence in the Koran and the Bible.

 

 

The first item is to define violence. The only violence that matters to someone outside of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism is what they do to the "other," or political violence. Cain killing Abel is not political violence. Political violence is not killing a lamb for a meal or making an animal sacrifice. Note that regardless of whether a vegan or a PETA member considers both of these actions violent, neither constitutes violence against vegans or PETA members.

 

 

The next item is to compare the doctrines both quantitatively and qualitatively. The political violence of the Koran is called "fighting in Allah's cause," or jihad.

 

 

We must do more than measure the jihad in the Koran. Islam has three sacred texts: Koran, Sira, and Hadith, or the Islamic Trilogy. The Sira is Mohammed's biography. The Hadith are his traditions -- what he did and said. Sira and Hadith form the Sunna, the perfect pattern of all Islamic behavior.

 

 

The Koran is the smallest of the three books, also called the Trilogy. It is only 16% of the Trilogy text[1]. This means that the Sunna is 84% of the word content of Islam's sacred texts. This statistic alone has large implications. Most of the Islamic doctrine is about Mohammed, not Allah. The Koran says 91 different times that Mohammed's is the perfect pattern of life. It is much more important to know Mohammed than the Koran. This is very good news. It is easy to understand a biography about a man. To know Islam, know Mohammed.

 

 

It turns out that jihad occurs in large proportion in all three texts. Here is a chart about the results:

 

It is very significant that the Sira devotes 67% of its text to jihad. Mohammed averaged an event of violence every six weeks for the last nine years of his life. Jihad was what made Mohammed successful. Here is a chart of the growth of Islam.

 

Basically, when Mohammed was a preacher of religion, Islam grew at the rate of ten new Muslims per year. But when he turned to jihad, Islam grew at an average rate of ten thousand per year. All the details of how to wage jihad are recorded in great detail. The Koran gives the great vision of jihad -- world conquest by the political process. The Sira is a strategic manual, and the Hadith is a tactical manual, of jihad.

 

 

Now let's go to the Hebrew Bible. When we count all the political violence, we find that 5.6% of the text is devoted to it. There is no admonition towards political violence in the New Testament.

 

 

When we count the magnitude of words devoted to political violence, we have 327,547 words in the Trilogy[2] and 34,039 words in the Hebrew Bible[3]. The Trilogy has 9.6 times as much wordage devoted to political violence as the Hebrew Bible.

 

 

 

The real problem goes far beyond the quantitative measurement of ten times as much violent material; there is also the qualitative measurement. The political violence of the Koran is eternal and universal. The political violence of the Bible was for that particular historical time and place. This is the vast difference between Islam and other ideologies. The violence remains a constant threat to all non-Islamic cultures, now and into the future. Islam is not analogous to Christianity and Judaism in any practical way. Beyond the one-god doctrine, Islam is unique unto itself.

 

 

Another measurement of the difference between the violence found in the Judeo/Christian texts and that of Islam is found in the use of fear of violence against artists, critics, and intellectuals. What artist, critic, or intellectual ever feels a twinge of fear if condemning anything Christian or Jewish? However, look at the examples of the violent political threats against and/or murders of Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, Pim Fortune, Kurt Westergaard of the Danish Mohammed cartoons, and many others. What artist, critic, or intellectual has not had a twinge of fear about Islam when it comes to free expression? The political difference in the responses to the two different doctrines is enormous. The political fruits from the two trees are as different as night and day.

 

 

It is time for so-called intellectuals to get down to the basics of judging Islam by its actual doctrine, not making lame analogies that are sophomoric assertions. Fact-based reasoning should replace fantasies that are based upon political correctness and multiculturalism.

 

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/09/the_political_violence_of_the.html

[It'sNotAFakeID]

What's to say moderate Muslims aren't doing anything? Or what would constitute as "doing anything" for moderate Muslims?

[Hooked on Huskers]

ISIS tactics like hiding behind trees and rocks. Worst than guerrilla warfare. Cancer with no vaccine. Spread from middle east to worldwide. Could be Black Plague II. What's the solution?

[ZRod]

To judge an intire religion of some 1.6 billion people based on some, MAYBE, 2% of them is moronic (it's probably less than 1%). Do we judge all of Christianity based on Westboro Baptists, the KKK, or Branch Dividians?

[ZRod]

When Paris turned it's lights out last night...

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Qu'ran 2:256

 

Whoever hurts a non-Muslim will not smell a whiff of paradise

[84HuskerLaw]

 

Maybe France will finally grow a pair and admit they have a Muslim problem. For years Hollande has been spouting that Islam is a religion of peace. How many more French have to die at the hand of Muslims before they finally realize the enemy lies within?

 

There are millions of Muslims in France. Dozens, MAYBE, are to blame for these attacks. What are you going to do with those millions who live in peace and want peace?

 

This isn't a "Muslim problem" any more than the KKK is a "Christian problem." This is an extremist problem, period.

I am sorry but you are so WRONG! This is a Muslim problem. There are no peace loving Muslims of any consequence. There are millions of silent Muslims and millions more who are cheerleaders for the terrorists but a few percentage points of Muslims who would rather not have terrorism generally. They need to be expelled from all western countries. Period. All of them.

[ZRod]

Muslims around the world have come out to show solidarity with the French and condemn a wave of coordinated terrorist attacks in Paris Friday night, which left 128 dead and scores others injured.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/991351/muslims-all-over-the-world-condemn-terrorism-express-solidarity-with-french/

[ZRod]

 

 

Maybe France will finally grow a pair and admit they have a Muslim problem. For years Hollande has been spouting that Islam is a religion of peace. How many more French have to die at the hand of Muslims before they finally realize the enemy lies within?

 

There are millions of Muslims in France. Dozens, MAYBE, are to blame for these attacks. What are you going to do with those millions who live in peace and want peace?

 

This isn't a "Muslim problem" any more than the KKK is a "Christian problem." This is an extremist problem, period.

I am sorry but you are so WRONG! This is a Muslim problem. There are no peace loving Muslims of any consequence. There are millions of silent Muslims and millions more who are cheerleaders for the terrorists but a few percentage points of Muslims who would rather not have terrorism generally. They need to be expelled from all western countries. Period. All of them.

Please take you're ignorant bigotry elsewhere.

[84HuskerLaw]

Nearly all Muslims are terrorist supporters, although they do so in silence as they walk among us. They all need to be expelled and sent back to their Muslim 'homelands'.

 

The number of peace loving, humanity respecting "Muslims" you can probably it in that stadium the nuts wanted to blow themselves up in last night in Paris.

 

There is NO outrage, no marching, etc. I think it is time for the leaders of the civilized world to publicly tell the 'leaders' of the Muslim world that if they don't stop the terrorism and start behaving as civilized human beings, the western world will NUKE them all! Let the Muslims deal with their nut cases. It is not our problem to sort them out - it is there's. If not, start taking up a few big cities each week until the change their tune.

[Landlord]

Qu'ran 2:256

 

Whoever hurts a non-Muslim will not smell a whiff of paradise

 

This is completely made up lol

 

 

 

But not many pay attention to the 99.99% of peaceful Muslims, because well, it just doesn't fit a narrative.

 

 

I pay plenty of attention to the peaceful, enjoyable Muslim people in the world. The thing is, though, as The Dude pointed out, that the extremists are interpreting the text very straight forward, and the billions of peaceful Muslims are what Christians would call "lukewarm", ie culturally religious, but not spiritually devout, much like the majority of our "Christian" nation.

 

The Qu'Ran is a violent, vile book when taken at face value, the way it is by ISIS. Muhammed, the founder and model and representative of the faith from God, was a mass murderer, and wrote plenty about how mass murder is acceptable or even necessary under certain conditions.

[commando]

Qu'ran 2:256

 

Whoever hurts a non-Muslim will not smell a whiff of paradise

i think that is a bit misquoted. here is what i find from a google search.

 

"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise

[ZRod]

 

Qu'ran 2:256

 

Whoever hurts a non-Muslim will not smell a whiff of paradise

 

This is completely made up lol

 

 

 

But not many pay attention to the 99.99% of peaceful Muslims, because well, it just doesn't fit a narrative.

 

 

I pay plenty of attention to the peaceful, enjoyable Muslim people in the world. The thing is, though, as The Dude pointed out, that the extremists are interpreting the text very straight forward, and the billions of peaceful Muslims are what Christians would call "lukewarm", ie culturally religious, but not spiritually devout, much like the majority of our "Christian" nation.

 

The Qu'Ran is a violent, vile book when taken at face value, the way it is by ISIS. Muhammed, the founder and model and representative of the faith from God, was a mass murderer, and wrote plenty about how mass murder is acceptable or even necessary under certain conditions.

The Torah is pretty vile when taken at face value.

[Landlord]

The Torah is pretty vile when taken at face value.

 

 

 

The Torah is more descriptive than prescriptive (explaining and documenting events rather than giving instruction on what to do) in terms of it's violence, but regardless, I'm not Jewish and I don't think Judaism is the answer either

[I AM FOOT FOOT]

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