The Republican Utopia

[Dr. Strangelove]

6 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

 

*ShockedPikachu.jpeg meme*

[TGHusker]

1 hour ago, Scarlet said:

 

It is "1984" and the GOP is the main character. 

[Scarlet]

But nobody's voting rights have been infringed upon, amirite?

[Dr. Strangelove]

2 hours ago, RedDenver said:

 

WhY caN’t BIdEn get BipArtIsAn SuPpoRt

[BigRedBuster]

 

[knapplc]

All the Republicans posting on HB are welcome to denounce this any time.

 

Like, any time, folks. Go ahead. Don't hold back.

 

 

[knapplc]

Again, denounce this kind of thing happening in the party you support.

 

Silence is tacit approval.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

2 hours ago, knapplc said:

Again, denounce this kind of thing happening in the party you support.

 

Silence is tacit approval.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This woman, Goser and MTG speak at this event. Nothing from republican leadership. Meanwhile, censure Republicans that dare want to investigate January 6th.
 

Speaks volumes as to where their loyalties lie.  

[Dr. Strangelove]

Does anybody remember when Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort was working for Pro-Russian groups in Ukraine? Then he was investigated by that whole Russia-gate-sham-hoax thing and was found to have committed crimes during that work? Then he pleaded guilty? Then the dear leader of the Republican Party Donald Trump gave him a pardon? This was after he agreed to cooperate with the FBI to have other charges dropped but backed out once dear leader Trump decided to give him said Pardon? That was hilarious! 

 

Then, the absolute best part, is that millions of Republicans saw this,  shrugged, and voted for this all again lmao. I guess it's better than one of those godless Democrats.

 

[Danny Bateman]

Oh boy. The far right is becoming a big problem. I mean the wackos are getting more and more comfortable just saying the quiet part loud because they know they'll have fervent support from the other wackos and the normal people in the party will just look the other way.

 

Don't get me wrong, I get just as annoyed by the far left (i.e., unironic tankies and larping socialists), the cancel culture crowd is dumb as hell, and you see poor governance (i.e., San Francisco school board) anywhere leftism gets a little too uninhibited and smells their own farts too long.

 

But for the most part they're much more harmless and fairly incapable of seizing the wheel in their party.

 

The far right has a growing seat at the table and they're an outright threat to democracy. They want authoritarian one-party rule for their own various reasons, none of which are good for any of the rest of us.

 

I'm not understating my feeling when I say f#&% those weirdos.

[NM11046]

I understand what you're saying @Danny Bateman but I think you'd agree there is a difference between discussing paying for college education, making changes to tax wealthy Americans and expressing admiration for Robert E Lee and discussing hanging opponents and folks that disagree with you?  

 

The political ideas may be offensive to some I guess, but I think the far right looney toons are dangerous, and they continue to pick up steam for some reason.

[Danny Bateman]

11 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

I understand what you're saying @Danny Bateman but I think you'd agree there is a difference between discussing paying for college education, making changes to tax wealthy Americans and expressing admiration for Robert E Lee and discussing hanging opponents and folks that disagree with you?  

 

The political ideas may be offensive to some I guess, but I think the far right looney toons are dangerous, and they continue to pick up steam for some reason.

 

There's a wide gulf of difference. I just think lefties haven't quite cracked the code at effectively attaining and USING political power in any notable way yet. When they do get in power they tend to focus on the wrong stuff rather than what's achievable and squander said power - again, the SF school board is a bit of cherry-picking my case but was instructive. They focused on their own rather niche goals rather than been responsive to what citizens needed and it cost them, right?

 

Regardless, for the most part, if either of them actually enacted their agenda, I'd much sooner have the left do so than the right.

[Dr. Strangelove]

2 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

There's a wide gulf of difference. I just think lefties haven't quite cracked the code at effectively attaining and USING political power in any notable way yet. When they do get in power they tend to focus on the wrong stuff rather than what's achievable and squander said power - again, the SF school board is a bit of cherry-picking my case but was instructive. They focused on their own rather niche goals rather than been responsive to what citizens needed and it cost them, right?

 

Regardless, for the most part, if either of them actually enacted their agenda, I'd much sooner have the left do so than the right.

This is in large part because of the electoral coalitions that make up each party. 

 

For Republicans, it's relatively simple. Be pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-religious, anti-regulation. Republicans in Nebraska are pretty much the same as the Republicans in Mississippi, who are the same as Republicans in Ohio, California, or wherever. Their platform is by and large simple: government=bad; business=good, military=good. This is obviously a simplification, but Republicans no matter where they are would largely agree to the above. 

 

The Democratic coalition is a lot more complex. Educated White Democrats (Climate Change, social spending, tax policy) care about vastly different issues compared to the issues of Southern Black Democrats (Criminal Justice Reform). Both of those differ significantly from the White Blue Collar Democrats (Unions, Economic Development in specific sectors) that make up their voting power in Great Lakes states. 

 

Thus, when they take power, Democrats appear to not govern effectively. While I think that's an unreasonable take, they simply have more factions in their party to keep happy. Sprinkle in the massive systemic disadvantages in our electoral system they face, it's easy to see why it's hard for them. 

[JJ Husker]

36 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

This is in large part because of the electoral coalitions that make up each party. 

 

For Republicans, it's relatively simple. Be pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-religious, anti-regulation. Republicans in Nebraska are pretty much the same as the Republicans in Mississippi, who are the same as Republicans in Ohio, California, or wherever. Their platform is by and large simple: government=bad; business=good, military=good. This is obviously a simplification, but Republicans no matter where they are would largely agree to the above. 

 

The Democratic coalition is a lot more complex. Educated White Democrats (Climate Change, social spending, tax policy) care about vastly different issues compared to the issues of Southern Black Democrats (Criminal Justice Reform). Both of those differ significantly from the White Blue Collar Democrats (Unions, Economic Development in specific sectors) that make up their voting power in Great Lakes states. 

 

Thus, when they take power, Democrats appear to not govern effectively. While I think that's an unreasonable take, they simply have more factions in their party to keep happy. Sprinkle in the massive systemic disadvantages in our electoral system they face, it's easy to see why it's hard for them. 

I think this distills things nicely. ^^^
 

The Rs have a much shorter mission statement and don’t get near as bogged down by minute differences, ethics, decency etc. The Ds issues are much wider ranging and they tend to argue the minutiae within their ranks. The Rs have found traction by incorporating one additional, simple, bullet point- Dems and anything dems want is bad.

 

It’s the fly in the ointment that prevents our democratic system from working properly.

[knapplc]

Any of our friends who typically share Tucker's talking points have a come-to-Jesus moment over the last few days, or is everyone still supporting the party of trump?