Archy1221 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, ZRod said: Sure there is. You're hungry and you have no money, no job, no car. What are you going to do? Government food stamps, government checks, government housing, getting a job/keeping employment while making sure the next generation in the family doesn’t end up in the same boat by pushing education and emotionally supporting the kids so they have a great chance to break the cycle of poverty for that particular family 1 1 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ZRod said: Sure there is. You're hungry and you have no money, no job, no car. What are you going to do? So the answer to those situations is to make things.....worse? 2 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, TGHusker said: all of the inputs that touch our lives - culture, parenting, wealth, poverty, education, etc. Counter to what @B.B. Hemingway is claiming that I am stating that these inputs, like poverty, inherently cause some one to commit a crime, I've said these inputs do not inherently cause crime but can make it more difficult for persons to overcome the influence of criminal forces. Most people counter the negative affects of poverty with the positive affects of good parenting, good education, good family or community support system or a just strong will for self determination. Some do not. So, when children are raised in an environment in which we have poverty, one parent homes, poor schools - that create stronger negative environmental forces that make it more difficult, but not impossible, for that child to overcome. Sometimes govt programs can perpetuate the problem and make the hole that much deeper to crawl out of - if generations become overly dependent on the govt at the expense of their own self determination. That is where the Great Society programs under LBJ when wrong in my opinion. I agree that the government coddling minority communities through government programs has been detrimental to those communities, and yet, it continues. 1 2 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: I agree that the government coddling minority communities through government programs has been detrimental to those communities, and yet, it continues. There is often a fine line between safety net and 'coddling'. Govts should provide a safety net but not life long assistance unless one is disabled - whereby medicaid kicks in. 1 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, TGHusker said: There is often a fine line between safety net and 'coddling'. Govts should provide a safety net but not life long assistance unless one is disabled - whereby medicaid kicks in. Agreed. The program is great when it's not abused. But, it's routinely abused, by people from every race, obviously. 1 Link to comment
ZRod Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Archy1221 said: Government food stamps, government checks, government housing, getting a job/keeping employment while making sure the next generation in the family doesn’t end up in the same boat by pushing education and emotionally supporting the kids so they have a great chance to break the cycle of poverty for that particular family Cool. I don't have a car, internet, a phone, no money for the bus... 4 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said: So the answer to those situations is to make things.....worse? No, but you don't really care to understand so it's fine. It's a black community problem to you. 5 1 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ZRod said: No, but you don't really care to understand so it's fine. It's a black community problem to you. It's a poor people problem, the black communities are just the only communities that get to use it as a viable excuse for any related shortcomings that are associated with poor communities. 1 1 2 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: It's a poor people problem, the black communities are just the only communities that get to use it as a viable excuse for any associated shortcomings. Ope. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ZRod said: Cool. I don't have a car, internet, a phone, no money for the bus... Tough break 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: LOL. Ever see adoption prices? I have a coworker that was looking into it (doing foster care instead) and no joke, certain colors cost less, way less. Link to comment
ZRod Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said: It's a poor people problem, the black communities are just the only communities that get to use it as a viable excuse for any related shortcomings that are associated with poor communities. Oh, right. White people don't get to use excuses like opioid epidemic, meth epidemic, the flight of blue collar jobs, closing of coalmines, the decay of mainstreet, and on and on. You're always so close, but so far away. None of this is a black people thing at all. So stop with that idiotic notion. It's not their culture. It's not their excuses. It's not their music. It's not their remodels. It's literally what would happen to any group of people were in that situation. It's socioeconomics. 3 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, ZRod said: Oh, right. White people don't get to use excuses like opioid epidemic, meth epidemic, or the flight of blue collar jobs. You're always so close, but so far away. None of this is a black people think at all. So stop with that idiotic notion. Lol. You're one to talk. The so called "plights" of white people are routinely mocked by liberals and across most media platforms. Usually while throwing their alleged "white privilege" in their face. I'm consistent on accountability. It applies to blacks, whites and everyone in between. Poverty doesn't excuse drug use, or any other crime. 2 1 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, ZRod said: Oh, right. White people don't get to use excuses like opioid epidemic, meth epidemic, or the flight of blue collar jobs. You're always so close, but so far away. None of this is a black people thing at all. So stop with that idiotic notion. It's not their culture. It's not their excuses. It's not their music. It's not their remodels. It's literally what would happen to any group of people were in that situation. It's socioeconomics. What are remodels? Link to comment
ZRod Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Just now, teachercd said: What are remodels? Autocorrect's version of role models. Link to comment
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