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9 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

 

Well I think it's just Trump being Trump.  But it poses a good question.  If some governors have the power to delay a campaign by banning rallies and conventions, then does it not follow that the election can be delayed too?

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this guy is far right....but look at what he has to say about moving the election.  guess this makes him a never trumper and a RINO

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html

 

 I am frankly appalled by the president’s recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist. But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Well I think it's just Trump being Trump.  But it poses a good question.  If some governors have the power to delay a campaign by banning rallies and conventions, then does it not follow that the election can be delayed too?

 

If you don't think Trump suggesting tampering with our election is serious, this is an example of the kind of rationalization many of his supporters will gravitate to now that he's suggested it.

 

Do not underestimate the willingness of Republicans to monkey around with our democratic processes if they think it will help them.

 

In 2018 Georgia Governor Brian Kemp was merely the guy in charge of administering an election he was a candidate in. He oversaw massive voter purges of massively disproportionate minority voters when his opponent was Black. He also oversaw closures of polling places, again in disproportionately minority communities. He also blatantly lied by accusing the GA Democratic Party of hacking the state registration website TWO DAYS before the general election. It was later discovered there was zero evidence to support his claim. But he won the election by a very narrow margin (1.5%) so one could call his tactics successful, I guess? 

 

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey has had no problem closing lots of polling places in Arizona, again in very disproportionately urban and minority areas. Anybody who's watched any election coverage the past couple years should remember the ridiculously long lines in cities like Phoenix and stories of people waiting 6+ hours in line to vote. 

 

Trumpers can claim this is all a joke or Trump raises a good point or whatever, but there's some kernel of truth in the vast majority of stuff that's said even jokingly. And anyone who thinks these clowns have any reservation at all about trying to rig the game if they think it will help them isn't paying attention.

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1 hour ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

 

Well I think it's just Trump being Trump.  But it poses a good question.  If some governors have the power to delay a campaign by banning rallies and conventions, then does it not follow that the election can be delayed too?

Not at all.  


Edit: I’m curious. Why would you think banning rallies or in-person conventions would be in the same vein  as forcing states to postpone their election?

 

 

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I don't often read Vanity Fair but this story is incredibly damning for the entire administration from the top down. In particular it reiterates Kushner's incompetence and fecklessness, in case you thought putting him in charge of a national testing strategy or Middle East peace were actually good ideas.

 

Nothing more needs said if you read it. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

I don't often read Vanity Fair but this story is incredibly damning for the entire administration from the top down. In particular it reiterates Kushner's incompetence and fecklessness, in case you thought putting him in charge of a national testing strategy or Middle East peace were actually good ideas.

 

Nothing more needs said if you read it. 

 

 

And we have people on this very board saying "But Fauci!". It's obvious Trump listening to people like Kushner over people like Fauci IS the problem.

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5 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

 

Well I think it's just Trump being Trump.  But it poses a good question.  If some governors have the power to delay a campaign by banning rallies and conventions, then does it not follow that the election can be delayed too?

How is banning rally’s delaying a campaign?  It affects both candidates and they both have other options to reach voters. 
 

Or, are you trying to help trump set the stage for delaying/canceling the election because he’s failing so bad?

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On 7/29/2020 at 9:17 PM, Moiraine said:

 

 

 

I saw today Trump's average poll margin in Texas is 0.2%. Really hoping he loses Texas just to send a big message to the Republican party that they don't have a future if they continue to elect pieces of s#!t then let them break whatever rules they want.

 

Yep. I want Trump and all Republicans trounced in this election. I don't think the R's will ever get straightened out again but it would feel good to see those who drove my old party into the ground get decimated so that maybe they get back to something resembling rational behavior....or just go away.

 

What I'd really like to see is complete Democrat control, long enough for them vote to rescind all of the perks former Presidents get just from Trump. Jerk his secret service protection and anything else that costs us more than about 2 cents. He hasn't served us, only himself. It would be fitting.....then he can catch Covid and die for all I care.

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5 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Yep. I want Trump and all Republicans trounced in this election. I don't think the R's will ever get straightened out again but it would feel good to see those who drove my old party into the ground get decimated so that maybe they get back to something resembling rational behavior....or just go away.

 

What I'd really like to see is complete Democrat control, long enough for them vote to rescind all of the perks former Presidents get just from Trump. Jerk his secret service protection and anything else that costs us more than about 2 cents. He hasn't served us, only himself. It would be fitting.....then he can catch Covid and die for all I care.

 

 

Maybe there could just be a new party called The Conservative Party.

Ideally what I'd like to happen is Trump lose the election and get removed and then fade a way; whatever it takes for that to happen. I don't want to have to keep hearing from him for ages which I fear is what's going to happen. Although if it hurts the Republican party to have him stick around being an a$$h@!e, then I guess it's ok.

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17 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Maybe there could just be a new party called The Conservative Party.

Ideally what I'd like to happen is Trump lose the election and get removed and then fade a way; whatever it takes for that to happen. I don't want to have to keep hearing from him for ages which I fear is what's going to happen. Although if it hurts the Republican party to have him stick around being an a$$h@!e, then I guess it's ok.

 

Yes, never hearing from him again would be best. But if he doesn't die, that isn't going to happen. So......

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6 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

If you don't think Trump suggesting tampering with our election is serious, this is an example of the kind of rationalization many of his supporters will gravitate to now that he's suggested it.

 

Do not underestimate the willingness of Republicans to monkey around with our democratic processes if they think it will help them.

 

In 2018 Georgia Governor Brian Kemp was merely the guy in charge of administering an election he was a candidate in. He oversaw massive voter purges of massively disproportionate minority voters when his opponent was Black. He also oversaw closures of polling places, again in disproportionately minority communities. He also blatantly lied by accusing the GA Democratic Party of hacking the state registration website TWO DAYS before the general election. It was later discovered there was zero evidence to support his claim. But he won the election by a very narrow margin (1.5%) so one could call his tactics successful, I guess? 

 

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey has had no problem closing lots of polling places in Arizona, again in very disproportionately urban and minority areas. Anybody who's watched any election coverage the past couple years should remember the ridiculously long lines in cities like Phoenix and stories of people waiting 6+ hours in line to vote. 

 

Trumpers can claim this is all a joke or Trump raises a good point or whatever, but there's some kernel of truth in the vast majority of stuff that's said even jokingly. And anyone who thinks these clowns have any reservation at all about trying to rig the game if they think it will help them isn't paying attention.

No.  And I don't believe Rod Rosenstein was actually wanting to remove Trump using the 25th Amendment either.

 

Your examples are not founded on facts.  In the case of Arizona it's a distortion of the facts.  AZ consolidated the polling places because people complained of confusion because there were too many.   They over-corrected but no one who could legally vote was prevented from doing so.

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5 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

AZ consolidated the polling places because people complained of confusion because there were too many.

 

This is not true. 

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How does this simpleton President not understand how voting by mail works? We've been doing it for years in Colorado, it works fine. His latest comment is just headshaking. From memory..."We're talking about sending out tens of millions of ballots. You don't know where they're going. It's terrible". Where/Who the f#ck does he think they get mailed to? Dumbass. They get sent to the address of registered voters. 

 

Anyone who supports this ignorant simpleton should be so embarrassed that they would never in a million years think of letting on that they're okay with this idiot. It just amazes me that we have people in this country that are so completely gullible and stupid that they don't realize how absolutely ignorant they expose themselves to be. Instead of MAGA hats what they all need is the "<---- I'm With Stupid" t-shirts.

 

The only people we should be worried about voting are the intelligence challenged Trump supporters that have failed to decipher the simplest truths about their imbecile leader. 

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2 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

This is not true. 

 

Knapp is right. This from the 2016 election:

 

 https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/23/ducey-rips-long-voter-lines-calls-them-unacceptable/82160766/

 

Stanton's letter to the Department of Justice said Phoenix, a city where minorities comprise the majority of the population, got a disproportionately small number of voting locations compared with more Anglo-dominated cities such as Fountain Hills, Paradise Valley and Peoria.

 

For example, Phoenix had one polling place per 108,000 voters; Fountain Hills had one for every 22,500 voters.

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