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Who takes the 1st snap at QB?  

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3 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

I remember a post shortly after the spring game highlighting Gebbia vs Martinez in terms of accuracy. Gebbia consistently puts the ball in the best spot for his guys to make a play after the catch, Martinez can get the ball to his guy but it might not be in the optimal place. That showed in the spring game imo though Gebbia did miss one wide open throw.

 

Yeau but can Gebs go 80 yards untouched? Is his speed coachable? The upside is all the things Martinez needs to work on are coachable. On paper, he's athletically the most gifted QB on our roster with the most potential in a SF offense.

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3 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Completion percentage is the only objective measure of accuracy available.  It is not exactly the same thing but it is a very good proxy.

 

It is not accuracy. Completion percentage and accuracy are not remotely the same.

 

A completion is whether anyone caught the ball. Accuracy is how close you were to your target.

 

Especially when you are evaluating quarterbacks this is huge. If a receiver has to adjust, but catches the ball is vastly different than hitting him in stride. Trying to throw a fade vs missing inside is the difference between a DB breaking on the ball vs not. Merely catching the ball is a function of receiver vs defender but putting the ball where you want is a repeatable skill.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, brophog said:

 

It is not accuracy. Completion percentage and accuracy are not remotely the same.

 

A completion is whether anyone caught the ball. Accuracy is how close you were to your target.

 

Especially when you are evaluating quarterbacks this is huge. If a receiver has to adjust, but catches the ball is vastly different than hitting him in stride. Trying to throw a fade vs missing inside is the difference between a DB breaking on the ball vs not. Merely catching the ball is a function of receiver vs defender but putting the ball where you want is a repeatable skill.

 

 

 

If the QB throws ugly ducks but gets the ball to his playmakers, he's doing something right. I give you Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost, Eric Crouch, Taylor Martinez, you get the point. These guys were not the most accurate passers but they were clutch and made completions when it mattered the most.

 

I don't think SF all of a sudden forgot all about that. I'm sure he's aware that when it's 30 degrees out and the wind is gusting 20-30 mph we can't expect to be slinging it around.

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I want to see the best players play, but am rooting for Gebbia. The kid is just special and by all accounts, he’s one of the hardest workers on the team. To have that level of talent and work ethic is a hell of a combo.

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everyone i've talked to says martinez has been dominating at practice but that frost has been downplaying his performances in the post practice interviews to keep martinez motivated.

 

if it's not martinez, i will be shocked.

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4 hours ago, brophog said:

It is not accuracy. Completion percentage and accuracy are not remotely the same.

 

A completion is whether anyone caught the ball. Accuracy is how close you were to your target.

 

Especially when you are evaluating quarterbacks this is huge. If a receiver has to adjust, but catches the ball is vastly different than hitting him in stride. Trying to throw a fade vs missing inside is the difference between a DB breaking on the ball vs not. Merely catching the ball is a function of receiver vs defender but putting the ball where you want is a repeatable skill.

 

Dude.  Just stop.

 

You have to get close to the target for them to be able to catch the ball.  Yes, they are not exactly the same thing.  But they are closely related and completion percentage is the best widely-available proxy therefor.  If you are often putting the ball in the best place for a receiver to catch it (accurate), they will catch more of them.  If you are often throwing high/low/ahead/behind/etc. (inaccurate) they will catch fewer of them.  It's not perfect but it's the best we have.


I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish in this argument.

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1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

Dude.  Just stop.

 

You have to get close to the target for them to be able to catch the ball.  Yes, they are not exactly the same thing.  But they are closely related and completion percentage is the best widely-available proxy therefor.  If you are often putting the ball in the best place for a receiver to catch it (accurate), they will catch more of them.  If you are often throwing high/low/ahead/behind/etc. (inaccurate) they will catch fewer of them.  It's not perfect but it's the best we have.


I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish in this argument.

 

The arguing lately, it's almost like two magnets facing each other with the north pole ends. No matter what you do, they repel and push each other away. I think with each passing day, more and more of us around here are on edge. There will be a collective sigh of relief once a starter is named and Akron week starts.

 

We're just a minority on here but once our season officially kicks off, we'll be united again like Frost said. It's been far too long since our fanbase last had a camaraderie.

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12 minutes ago, FTW said:

 

The arguing lately, it's almost like two magnets facing each other with the north pole ends. No matter what you do, they repel and push each other away. I think with each passing day, more and more of us around here are on edge. There will be a collective sigh of relief once a starter is named and Akron week starts.

 

We're just a minority on here but once our season officially kicks off, we'll be united again like Frost said. It's been far too long since our fanbase last had a camaraderie.

 

 


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Either or will be fine.  They are both young and raw.  One of the two will eventually be better.  It does not matter who.  I am just grateful for both.  Just a great pre-season feeling to have right now. 

 

Come Michigan, road games and cold weather, and things will not always be so perfect.  Let's just support this position and hope it goes well. 

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6 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Dude.  Just stop.

 

You have to get close to the target for them to be able to catch the ball.  Yes, they are not exactly the same thing.  But they are closely related and completion percentage is the best widely-available proxy therefor.  If you are often putting the ball in the best place for a receiver to catch it (accurate), they will catch more of them.  If you are often throwing high/low/ahead/behind/etc. (inaccurate) they will catch fewer of them.  It's not perfect but it's the best we have.


I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish in this argument.

He has 4 rep points on that post  :dunno

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I'm not worried so much about who gets the 'first snap' so much as I am just finding that 'guy'.  Even if Gebbia hypothetically started and played well we're still going to see Martinez at some point or vice versa.  All the good press on Martinez has been great to read and he made some nice plays in the spring game but both of these guys have yet to play under the bright lights against a tough opponent too I should add when it counts so for me I just want a guy who number one doesn't turn the ball over.  That's the biggest thing I'm waiting to see from either of these guys.  Jury's still out.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Is there a practice today with interviews after? Assuming we may find out then bout QB? 

There weren't originally any interviews scheduled but there is a practice today. Tomorrow there's no practice, but Frost said that they'd make sure the media would know this weekend so I'd expect some kind of news today, one way or the other.

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25 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

I'm not worried so much about who gets the 'first snap' so much as I am just finding that 'guy'.  Even if Gebbia hypothetically started and played well we're still going to see Martinez at some point or vice versa.  All the good press on Martinez has been great to read and he made some nice plays in the spring game but both of these guys have yet to play under the bright lights against a tough opponent too I should add when it counts so for me I just want a guy who number one doesn't turn the ball over.  That's the biggest thing I'm waiting to see from either of these guys.  Jury's still out.

 

 

 

 

This. Especially with some more QBs coming in next year and Vedral able to play. All this talent is great, but to get on track, it should cycle and not be a question every few weeks if the next guy is the "one". 

 

Frost and Co are huge on everyone knowing their roles, yet QB is so even. Wonder how that plays out in the room. 

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