The Angry Violent Right

[Nebfanatic]

3 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

And that’s your problem.  You have a pre-ordained narrative about me that clouds your judgement.  I have no tactics in play.  There are multiple reasons for yesterday and it’s dumb in my opinion to ignore any of them.  
Violence shouldn’t be tolerated in any instance outside of self defense.  We should be shaming those media who promote it now and last  summer along with Trump, the rioters, and anyone who promotes a riot to make sure they don’t do it again where it fits their chosen narrative. I don’t care what the issue at the time is.  

Its not a preordained narrative, it's your own words. What you say and support matters and it shapes people's opinions of you. You can't just take it all back now and get a fresh start. Whether you like it or not what you do in the past informs people around you and they react accordingly. The fact that you still want to blame these riots on media coverage of completely different events that happened over 6 months ago tells me you still just want to defer blame from the real problems here. 

[Nebfanatic]

4 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

My bias? I didn't even bring it up lol

I didnt mean you specifically, you as in the person making wild speculations. 

[DevoHusker]

5 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

 

 

I guess but thats not what I'm saying whatsoever so im not sure what your point is. The fact is we don't know so to speculate there was antifa there with no proof just shows your bias.

 

Type three words in your Twitter search bar. I am not the one speculating. 

 

"antifa at capitol"

[Archy1221]

16 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

despite espousing none of those values himself.

Would you agree that this sentiment probably applies to a very large percentage of politicians?  
As an example, Obama rails and rails and rails about climate change, yet buys a ginormous home on Martha’s Vineyard on the Ocean.  His Third or fourth home and a vacation home nonetheless taking up a large carbon footprint for his actual needs and then lectures people like me living in an average home about driving my car and my effects of climate change.   
 

I can think of many Republicans too that only care about debt when Dems are in charge as @BigRedBusterpoints out too.  
 

point being this isn’t unique to Trump, and as soon as we accept that most politicians are dirtbag liars, and use them as a means to end (our most important issues) the sooner we can start using them instead of them using us.   Vote them out more instead rewarding incumbency.  Press term limits so they govern instead of run for election constantly. 

[DevoHusker]

Just now, Nebfanatic said:

I didnt mean you specifically, you as in the person making wild speculations. 

 

Ah, got it. I believed you meant me personally. 

[Nebfanatic]

1 minute ago, DevoHusker said:

 

Ah, got it. I believed you meant me personally. 

I can see why you may have thought that but I wasn't referring to you Devo. Thats something I do often, its probably not grammatically correct as it causes this sort of confusion.

[knapplc]

4 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

 

Type three words in your Twitter search bar. I am not the one speculating. 

 

"antifa at capitol"

 

I did that. Now what am I supposed to be seeing?

[Archy1221]

2 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

. You can't just take it all back now and get a fresh

Again, if you actually read what I post, you will clearly see I don’t take back my support for the first 3 or so years of what Trump and Republicans were able to accomplish.  And I don’t care at all about anyone’s criticism of it, as long as the criticism accurately reflects my words.  Too many times I get lumped in by some posters with the crazy people on the extreme right on purpose to try and change the narrative about what I stand for.  

[Ulty]

3 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Would you agree that this sentiment probably applies to a very large percentage of politicians?  
As an example, Obama rails and rails and rails about climate change, yet buys a ginormous home on Martha’s Vineyard on the Ocean.  His Third or fourth home and a vacation home nonetheless taking up a large carbon footprint for his actual needs and then lectures people like me living in an average home about driving my car and my effects of climate change.   
 

I can think of many Republicans too that only care about debt when Dems are in charge as @BigRedBusterpoints out too.  
 

point being this isn’t unique to Trump, and as soon as we accept that most politicians are dirtbag liars, and use them as a means to end (our most important issues) the sooner we can start using them instead of them using us.   Vote them out more instead rewarding incumbency.  Press term limits so they govern instead of run for election constantly. 

Come on, man. Trump's dishonesty, grifting, racism, infidelity, divisiveness, and treachery are off the charts. Comparing Trump's lack of values to Obama's carbon footprint is beyond disingenuous. 

[Born N Bled Red]

4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Would you agree that this sentiment probably applies to a very large percentage of politicians?  
As an example, Obama rails and rails and rails about climate change, yet buys a ginormous home on Martha’s Vineyard on the Ocean.  His Third or fourth home and a vacation home nonetheless taking up a large carbon footprint for his actual needs and then lectures people like me living in an average home about driving my car and my effects of climate change.   
 

I can think of many Republicans too that only care about debt when Dems are in charge as @BigRedBusterpoints out too.  
 

point being this isn’t unique to Trump, and as soon as we accept that most politicians are dirtbag liars, and use them as a means to end (our most important issues) the sooner we can start using them instead of them using us.   Vote them out more instead rewarding incumbency.  Press term limits so they govern instead of run for election constantly. 

 

Hmmm. Certainly, however, the climate change example is a pretty weak illustration. - I'm talking more about core values. - Respecting the sanctity of marriage, pro-life, god fearing values that have defined conservatives for generations. Trump holds none of those. 

[commando]

this isn't over

 

[Nebfanatic]

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Again, if you actually read what I post, you will clearly see I don’t take back my support for the first 3 or so years of what Trump and Republicans were able to accomplish.  And I don’t care at all about anyone’s criticism of it, as long as the criticism accurately reflects my words.  Too many times I get lumped in by some posters with the crazy people on the extreme right on purpose to try and change the narrative about what I stand for.  

Oh I see that. I'm just making a point. You condemning Trump here(hardly) is supposed to make me sympathize with you, but it doesn't work like that. I'm supposed to give you credit because you said something bad about Trump, but why? Your posts don't reflect that you actually condemn Trump and his actions. Other people are to blame too its not Trumps fault really. Same crap I've heard over and over when Trump does something that cannot possibly be defended. I'm not lumping you in or changing the narrative. These are your own words and views. You still support a guy who is actively destroying our democracy. I dont care what a politician accomplished, if they are doing it in a way detrimental to our democracy, they must be condemned completely. Your view that you just go with the guy who is gonna get it done everything else be damned is ridiculous. I'm not going to support destroying our democracy to get what I want done. Your continued support for a man who has been this person from the beginning says alot about you whether you like it or not. 

[funhusker]

40 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Again, I greatly appreciate your opinion of Trump now.

 

Where I think a lot of people scratch their heads in frustration is, what you are seeing now and realizing he has done that is so wrong, so many others have seen for the last 4 years and that's why they have been so against him that long.  It's confusing to people in that group on why you would still say you support what he was and did prior to your epiphany.  

I think many people were supportive of the hubris Trump took towards immigration.  They also really hated the Iran Deal and thought the Paris accord was dumb.  Many people champion lower taxes for big business.  Some people believe private health insurance is good enough.  Some people believe the EPA caused more blocks than protections.  Not to mention judges.

 

Trump's policies and speeches were very good for these people.  

 

I always questioned why they were okay with Trump being the President when any other GOP candidate would have done most of the same.  Trump lost me in the GOP debate when he actually referenced penis size on the stage.  That's the moment I remember saying to myself, "what a child!" And no matter how beneficial he may be to some, he didn't deserve to hold the office of POTUS.

 

He's proven it time and again.

[Archy1221]

8 minutes ago, Ulty said:

Come on, man. Trump's dishonesty, grifting, racism, infidelity, divisiveness, and treachery are off the charts. Comparing Trump's lack of values to Obama's carbon footprint is beyond disingenuous. 

Really!!!  You too???  We were talking about politicians who don’t live by the policies they promote.  I said pretty much every politician does this and gave an example of someone from the other side doing it.  Why narrate it into something different?  That’s beyond disingenuous yet not surprised.  

[Nebfanatic]

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Really!!!  You too???  We were talking about politicians who don’t live by the policies they promote.  I said pretty much every politician does this and gave an example of someone from the other side doing it.  Why narrate it into something different?  That’s beyond disingenuous yet not surprised.  

When multiple people are 'changing the narrative', maybe you are actually the problem.