RedSavage Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said: Throwing this out there - our special teams have been crap since Callahan. We may have had one year hear and there where one phase of ST was good, like Pierson-El's freshman year, but never all 4 phases. Even during years when one phase had an up side, another phase was bad enough to cancel it out. - I think the post above hit the nail on the head. Most coaches get the offense and defense right, then try to focus on beefing up special teams- since we haven't had a staff that could get the offense and defense right since Solich (Osborne), the special teams have been neglected for 20 years. (ugh that's hard to type). The closest we've come to having good special teams is when Bo took over coordinating them because he felt the O and D were in a good enough place and ST was costing us games. That year Bo took over ST, was the best ST we've seen in a long, long, time. Both before and after Quote Link to comment
cornheadnation Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, RedSavage said: That year Bo took over ST, was the best ST we've seen in a long, long, time. Both before and after Its decided, Bring Bo back as the ST Coordinator! Bo knows Special teams 1 6 Quote Link to comment
Born N Bled Red Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, cornheadnation said: Its decided, Bring Bo back as the ST Coordinator! Bo knows Special teams Ha! I hear he's available. Quote Link to comment
J-MAGIC Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 55 minutes ago, RedSavage said: That year Bo took over ST, was the best ST we've seen in a long, long, time. Both before and after Callahan and Bo were actually remarkably good special teams coaches by the numbers, and even Riley was decent. Here are our national SP+ special teams rankings as far back as the numbers go: FROST 2020: 87 2019: 124 2018: 80 RILEY 2017:46 2016: 36 2015: 36 PELINI 2014: 51 2013: 8 2012: 32 2011: 16 2010: 3 2009: 8 2008: 36 CALLAHAN 2007: 4 2006: 35 We were actually blessed with some very good special teams for 10+ years. Now ... not so much. 2 Quote Link to comment
Born N Bled Red Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 From Football Outsiders, a deeper look into the data... As I said, most the time when one phase of ST succeeded another phase tanked. SFEI Special Teams Ratings (SFEI) represent the per possession scoring advantage a team's combined special teams units would be expected to have on a neutral field against an average opponent. Unadjusted special teams possession efficiency (SPE) is calculated as a function of special teams game splits. Schedule strength is represented by each team's average per possession special teams opponent adjustment (SOA). Field Goal efficiency (FGE) and Opponent Field Goal efficiency (OFG) are the average values generated per field goal attempt as compared with national success rates in proximity to the end zone. Kickoff Return efficiency (KRE) and Kickoff efficiency (KE) are the average values generated per kickoff based on field position at the conclusion of the play. Punt Return efficiency (PRE) and Punt efficiency (PE) are the average values generated per punt based on the field position of the punt team and the field position at the conclusion of the play. Team SFEI SPE Rk SOA Rk FGE Rk OFG Rk KRE Rk KE Rk PRE Rk PE Rk 2007 Nebraska 0.06 0.05 33 0.01 29 0.61 7 -0.49 111 0.15 43 0.01 23 -0.05 108 -0.06 58 2008 Nebraska 0.09 0.1 11 0 62 0.63 5 0.47 10 0.09 50 -0.12 78 0.21 16 -0.07 57 2009 Nebraska 0.18 0.16 3 0.02 25 0.6 5 0.35 13 0.17 40 0.13 5 0.19 12 -0.12 84 2010 Nebraska 0.1 0.09 10 0.01 49 0.95 1 -0.14 68 0.06 58 0.11 12 0.02 64 0.02 36 2011 Nebraska 0.09 0.09 8 0 54 0.31 23 0.31 27 0.18 17 0.05 29 0.01 74 -0.01 51 2012 Nebraska -0.03 -0.02 77 0 70 0.3 29 0.22 22 -0.01 63 0.01 63 -0.15 116 -0.13 107 2013 Nebraska 0 0.01 64 0 70 0.6 13 -0.32 97 0.07 29 0.06 42 -0.1 111 0.03 43 2014 Nebraska 0.1 0.09 6 0.01 33 -0.22 95 0.28 24 0.08 21 -0.04 92 0.4 1 0 70 2015 Nebraska 0.03 0.04 31 -0.01 79 0.39 22 0.08 40 -0.09 103 0.02 65 0.04 47 0.08 31 2016 Nebraska 0.07 0.06 22 0.01 37 0.42 20 0.08 37 0 56 0.1 13 0.04 39 -0.11 105 2017 Nebraska 0.04 0.02 47 0.02 11 0.2 45 0 57 -0.02 55 -0.03 88 0.07 23 0.05 48 2018 Nebraska -0.02 -0.04 102 0.02 16 0.14 59 0.02 52 -0.05 78 -0.04 102 -0.14 120 -0.09 100 2019 Nebraska -0.07 -0.07 117 0.01 47 -0.62 125 -0.58 123 -0.06 95 -0.08 108 0.06 22 0.07 48 Quote Link to comment
Big Red Viking Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 The special teams haven't been good since Santino Panico was fair catching punts. 2 Quote Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Frost should be sitting down with Moos after every season and doing an evaluation on every single assistant and asking a simple question: Does this assistant coach give Nebraska the best chance of winning a conference championship? If the answer is yes, retain the coach. If the answer is no, then Frost should see if there are viable options for a replacement. Based upon what I have seen over the past 3 years, I don't believe that we have a top-tier group of assistants that will best position Nebraska to win a conference title. Moos has indicated a willingness to spend money for the best assistants in the country, so it's up to Frost to put together the best staff possible. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
krc1995 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, HuskerNation1 said: Frost should be sitting down with Moos after every season and doing an evaluation on every single assistant and asking a simple question: Does this assistant coach give Nebraska the best chance of winning a conference championship? If the answer is yes, retain the coach. If the answer is no, then Frost should see if there are viable options for a replacement. Based upon what I have seen over the past 3 years, I don't believe that we have a top-tier group of assistants that will best position Nebraska to win a conference title. Moos has indicated a willingness to spend money for the best assistants in the country, so it's up to Frost to put together the best staff possible. Absolutely NO. Frost gets top 10 or 20 coaching money, he shouldn’t have big daddy Moos ok his choices. Let the product go the talking. why doesn’t Moos just do they coaching? 1 Quote Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, krc1995 said: Absolutely NO. Frost gets top 10 or 20 coaching money, he shouldn’t have big daddy Moos ok his choices. Let the product go the talking. why doesn’t Moos just do they coaching? Huh? I am not saying Moos makes the final decisions, but Moos is the one that can go find the dollars to get the best assistants that Frost believes will help the team. As of right now we have not yet seen any changes to the staff, so that tells me that Frost believes he has the best staff possible to win a conference championship. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
krc1995 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said: Huh? I am not saying Moos makes the final decisions, but Moos is the one that can go find the dollars to get the best assistants that Frost believes will help the team. As of right now we have not yet seen any changes to the staff, so that tells me that Frost believes he has the best staff possible to win a conference championship. No. An AD should not, in any way, be involved with the operation side of any sport. You think Saban does this? Your post is just short of calling Frost a poosie. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
I am I Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Since we don’t have a mass exodus incoming, I think our special teams gets better next year cuz the players that are coming back/staying means we use more athletes that need playing time, guys trying to get on the field, competing for starting jobs want to play. special teams get better when the starters are solid. Quote Link to comment
Stumpy1 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 11 hours ago, Mavric said: Playoff teams this year: Alabama - QC/QB, DC/ILB, STC/TE, RB, WR, OL, DL, OLB, CB, S Clemson - OC/RB, DC/LB, STC/TE, QB, WR, OL, DT, DE, CB, S Ohio State - OC/TE, DC, Co-DC, STC/S, QB, RB, WR, OL, DL, LB (Special Teams is done by a quality control coach) Notre Dame - OC/QB, DC/LB, STC/RecruitC, RB, WR, OL, DL, DB, CB (I don't see a 10th listed) Alabama and Clemson are all but identical - we are very similar minus the TE coach having the STC title. Notre Dame is the only one with a dedicated coach for Special Teams - Ohio State has an analyst like we do tOSU has Matt Barnes coaching their ST with a quality control guy helping. His whole coaching career has revolved around defense and ST. It isnt some analyst doing it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
runningblind Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, Stumpy1 said: tOSU has Matt Barnes coaching their ST with a quality control guy helping. His whole coaching career has revolved around defense and ST. It isnt some analyst doing it. I was wondering as he listed STC/S but then also said ST done by a quality control analyst. I think it's crystal clear that top teams spend way more attention to ST than NU does, however you title the lead person. 1 Quote Link to comment
desertshox Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I wonder if dawson doesnt take over coaching ST in the future with input from rutledge. And i wonder if having a full spring and fall where they could put more emphasis into ST during practices will help. I also wonder if two guys working together for the first time didnt lead to some miscommunication at times. Then again what do i know. Coaching is easy and anyone on a message board can do it. Quote Link to comment
HuskerNation1 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 11 hours ago, krc1995 said: No. An AD should not, in any way, be involved with the operation side of any sport. You think Saban does this? Your post is just short of calling Frost a poosie. Sorry, but this does happen often. Pelini used to meet with Osborn all the time after the season ended to discuss how things were going on the team and if there should be any changes. This is not saying that the AD makes the final decisions, but the AD is the boss of the football coach and has a right to discuss the staff with the head coach, just as any 2nd line leader or boss in America will discuss personnel with their first line leaders. Moos also is the one that would have to secure funds if Frost would want a new assistant that will cost more than what we currently have. Frost just doesn't do that on his own. 2 Quote Link to comment
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