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I was all for Frost staying if he switched up assistants but then I got to thinking, it would be like having a car with a s#!tty a$$ motor and you put new tires on it hoping that it would make it run better.

BOB would recruit at a level we haven’t had since Callahan. Those that say he can’t recruit have no idea what they are talking about.

Luck rating over Frost tenure: 2018…74th 2019…114th 2020…118th 2021…130th (dead last & worst ever recorded!) “Champions make their own luck”- Vince Lombardi

Beamer at VT was a master at creating "good luck." It's not an accident that Frost hasn't been able to, or that Beamer could.

This article by Dirk shows me that these issues under Frost have been a consistent problem. This year is an extreme, but it's not a one year blip. Frost's teams look great/improved in the stats, but lack of focus on the small things is what fails Frost. A new coach who can do the big things AND the small things is what we need.

I thought the coverage was way too soft against Minnesota and saw similar results against Purdue. The lack of a pass rush is really killing the defense.

I don't even care that you think BOB isn't a great fit, that's fine. But to act like BOB is a bad coach when won B1G coach of the Year, and 3 different major National Coach of the Year Awards at Penn St, then went on to be voted 2nd place two separate times for NFL Coach of the Year - that's just ignorant.

You can throw all the $$$ at the wall doesn't mean it will stick. If Alberts doesn't have someone locked in, I don't see how firing Frost is the answer.

There is no way Davison sticks around after Frost is fired. He's getting paid a nice salary to be Frost's best friend. I'm sure Trev has gone to Davison at times and pulled the old Office Space quote "What is it that you actually do here?"

Loyalty to Frost has very little to do with my current support. My support comes from the absolute fact that constant coaching turnover has done nothing for our program but drive us further into the abyss for 20 freaking years. The only thing we haven't tried is giving someone the time to rebuild and grow. Thought about this last night. What if Callahan had kept Pelini on instead of bringing Cosgrove? Probably would have rocked it. What if instead of replacing Callahan, Pelini was brought on as Co-headcoach/ d coordinator. - Pelini had his time. Some of us think he should have gotten more. Riley was too damn old to grow. Each time we jettisoned the coach though, Nebraska paid out contracts to get WORSE. I've already said, the storms Frost has weathered, the schedules he faced, that statistically we are one of the top 5 teams performance wise - and did this against the hardest schedule in the land, gets him another year. Next year, Northwestern is the first test. WIN and we are undefeated heading into Oklahoma. Lose, and we better have a dang good showing against OK, and got 8-4 or better, or else I'll 99% agree Frost has earned his pink slip.

The fans that wish to see a 5th year under this Coach are loyal to Scott Frost the player, the ambassador and the native son. Performance metrics have little to do with their reasoning. In the end, I think it is for this reason that we end up with a 5th year. To me the better question is whether these loyalists are prepared to accept and even embrace transition following a similar 2022. For the compensation being offered, it is unreasonable to continue pushing back the horizon of success any further. People quickly forget, but Alabama under Dennis Franchione and later Mike Shula underperformed as a program for years. Shula (a former Tide Quarterback and son of legendary coach Don Shula) had the coaching pedigree and university ties necessary to achieve great success (sound familiar?). What resulted were 3 poor seasons and 1 bowl appearance under Shula. Absent the bowl appearance, this story feels very familiar. My point is, Alabama was prepared to go all in for a return to success and we should do no less.

But we are so close to getting over that mythical luck hump.

Anyone thinking things will change if we keep Frost is doing some incredible mental gymnastics. There will be widespread and deep apathy that sets in if you keep a coach that goes 3-9 in year 4. For all those who will say "let's let the year play out" and "we don't know we will finish 3-9", look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself which team we are going to beat in those 3. If we beat Iowa, is 4-8 really better than 3-9? The bowl game hopes truly end on Saturday, and my guess is the defense's resolve finally cracks as they can't take the rest of the team's crap anymore.

And look what those coaches are doing this year. Nice turnaround for them.

But it also smacks of how close we are to having something special here in Lincoln. More and more, I keep thinking we should give Frost time, but we need to get proven commodities for assistants around him, and get some analysts that can work with Frost behind the scenes to help shore this s*** up.

To the guys pushing him? 1) He's not Scott Frost 2) He's breathing and he's not Scott Frost - so he's guaranteed 9 wins every season (in their minds anyway) 3) He did ok at Penn St. 4) He failed out of the NFL (all the greatest college coaches do!) 5) He probably won't get us to the promised land 6) But he might be a halfway decent stop gap for 3 years 7 Before we fire him and rebuild again to find another coach who will probably get fired 3 years after that. What people don't realize is that to build something great, you need a strong foundation. Each time you tear down to rebuild, you weaken your foundation. Eventually your just putting new trim on something that imploding in on itself. This is where we are at with Husker football. We've stopped the imploding, we're starting to build. Dont freaking dynamite our foundation again. I don't know how many more rebuilds it can take.

He got fired for being a bad GM. Not a bad coach. And he did well at a school that had essentially received the closest modern equivalent of the death penalty. Plus one of the perks of him attending the Nick Saban School for Kids Who Want to Learn to Coach Good and Do Other Things Good Too is that he is getting additional experience in how the best program in this era is run so he can take that experience and apply it here with a seasoned staff supporting him rather than trying to go it alone like the last couple years in Houston.

FYI: This was Mike Farrell in 2014 upon Nebraska hiring Mike Riley Rivals.com national recruiting director Mike Farrell tweeted that the hiring is a "home run." "I don't think Huskers fans realize what a well-respected game coach Riley is and how hard it is to win in Corvallis," Farrell wrote.

I'm more worried about Yantz leaving with the way Frost sporadically uses him.

Gopher fan here – I am probably looking through maroon and gold colored glasses but, having said that , my observation is that many/most Husker fans seem to think NU has better talent than most of the other teams in the Big10. I think that is clearly wrong. It seemed to me that during the MN/NU game that the Gophers clearly had the better O and D lines. AM was kept locked in the pocket the entire game and was unable to use his legs. AM has never been, as far as I can see, a great passer. The problem for NU is that SF has not developed the talent he has recruited. Take Bryce Benhart for example, MN tried hard to recruit him as he seems to have all of the tools to be good but… he has no business starting as a freshman. It takes time for big men to develop their full strength and techniques. At another school, WI, IA, MN, and now IL under BB he would not see the field until he was a Jr or Sr. It will be interesting to see if his experience at NU has ruined him as a future player. In short, NU does not have better players than other Big10 teams – NU has better athletes perhaps but not better football players and that is why NU is losing games. I’m done, fire away.

And Minnesota fans say Nebraska is terrible, even in years we've beaten the Gophers. Whatever profound point you think you're making... you're not.

You know, if you wanted to go away as fast as both the CYHawks top 10 rankings, that'd be great.

Defense is pretty solid man, against the toughest schedule in the country, we are the 22nd best defense in yards per play allowed, and up there in nearly every other category as well. The most "Blackshirt," like performance we've seen in years. The only thing they aren't doing is forcing turnovers and getting defensive scores.

Yeah the mass exodus and stuff like that was not as big of a deal as the media tried to portray it, he basically had a strong two-deep.

The NCAA also gave Penn St players a free transfer with eligibility to play right away. So they lost a QB with starts, their best RB, their best WR, their starting TE, a starting LB, and an all B1G Kicker - among other depth players, and three 4-star recruits.

It is extremely funny to me that a lot of people automatically blame the coaches when guys don't meet OUR expectations. Didn't Stepp get recruited at USC ? Didn't he gradually lose playing time? Didn't he enter the portal? I baffles me to no end when we get guys from the portal or JC and when they could NOT make it at another school (or excel at lower level juco), we are up in arms when it doesn't work here. Look at guys who have left here. Outside of Wandale, not many over the years have made major impacts, but yet we expect it to be different when guys portal into Nebraska. Maybe the guys just aren't talented as some "*" indicated. So much easier to blame coaches. SMH

In the past we had to give up on the run because we were being boatraced and had to throw to have any kind of chance. This is the first year we've had a defense that could allow for a run game, all game against anyone we played. We still, however, do not have an offensive line for that.

I don't care all that much about the stats on close games lost in years 1-3. I knew by early 2019 that this was going to be a 4-5 year rebuild because of how badly Riley had tanked the program. So, I'm looking at this year. If we had won 2 out of 3 against Illinois, Minnesota, and Purdue and were 5-4 instead of 3-6, fans probably wouldn't be extremely upset. So I'm looking at those three games. Why did we lose those games by one score? Well, in my opinion it's because Frost just didn't get the run game going. And specifically against Minnesota & Purdue he kept trying to have Martinez throw the ball when it was obvious he was "off." Our defense definitely played well enough in those three games. But offense was terrible. Martinez being off was a common thread in all three of those games and I also think Frost & Lubick did a poor job of adjusting once it was obvious he was off.

Because he was never present and didnt keep any kind of leash or accountability on Frost.

Some people just don't get it. It is becoming cult like - this loyalty to Frost.

And he increasingly comes across as someone who doesn't know what the answers are to getting to that breakout season. His last post game interview was evidence of this.

The Frost "luck factor" has been terrible for 4 years. That's a trend! I keep on hearing "make tweaks to the assistant coaching staff" but the head coach establishes the culture, the little things, and the attention to detail. All of that has sucked under Frost. Expecting that to change with "new assistant coaches" is foolish.

But Scott Frost followed his 5-7 season with 3 more losing seasons…

That sounds like something that happened to me a few times in college. The “luck hump”. Lol

Yeah, years later. But if it were one year post being fired, you'd be on a messageboard calling HOF coaches "Fired NFL Coaches, no one wants". Thanks for proving my point.

The above would require the fan base and donors to be content with the following growth model for Nebraska football: We are going to need to get a HC for our HC.

The practice violations thing is a joke and everyone knows it.

And do any of us believe that will happen under this staff? Frost has had 4 years to get to a bowl game. A bowl game. Not a double digit win total, not finishing in the top 2 of the West. Hell not even beating Wisconsin and Iowa. Literally just getting to 6 wins. Show some level of improvement in the W/L column in 4 years. Those of us who are saying it is time to move on lowered our bar to 6 wins. I would not have said that for Riley, for Pelini or for Callahan. With all of our resources etc we have no reason to not get to 6 wins by year 4.

Who knows if O'Brien would stick around, but he'd be a good hire. Not a guaranteed success but nothing besides Saban is. Definitely overperformed at Penn State considering their sanctions and disarray at the time, and did better than most coaches do in the NFL. Plus, now he's been in Saban's system, which you really can't understate the value of. The proof is in the pudding. Kristobal, Sarkisian, Kiffin, Kirby, Jimbo Fisher, etc. All great coaches that coached under him, and a lot of them weren't good coaches until they coached under him.

Faux outrage from the people who brought you migrant caravans and pizza-based pedophile rings? Why I never...

No, when you lose at home to a 31 point dog you are horrible. Minny is horrible, NU is horrible, PU is horrible, NW is horrible, Iowa has scored 14 points in their last two games and they were ranked 2nd, Wisconsin can't complete a pass. The west is horrible.

What??? Callahan had 9 years of NFL experience before Nebraska. Pelini also had 9 years of NFL experience. Riley had 4. Frost has zero years of NFL experience as a coach. Also, Callahan was an incredible recruiter. Pelini did pretty good and he didn't even try. Riley didn't, and Frost has had four straight top 20 classes. So I mean, per the point you're trying to make, O'Brien would probably get the best recruiting results we've seen in 20+ years.

Heard Callahan say the other day on KFAB that the pass rush is not what it was earlier in the season and it's putting more pressure on the backfield. I hadn't been watching that closely as I've tried to be drunk by halftime. It's a new gameday tradition for me.

In the Purdue game the right side of the line quit freaking blocking the second third quarter started. The right side of the line was in the backfield more than the running back. I was screaming at the damn TV every play. Frost didn't move away from the run game against Purdue, it stopped working period. How many 3 and outs did we need to have to take due to the poor performing right side of the line just so you could say WelP, Frost stuck with the run? And how loud would you be screaming at him for not trying something different then?

You keep changing the narrative. I understand the run game was a struggle early in Frost's tenure, especially with the running backs. However, the simple fact is that Frost goes away from the run game when it's not always needed. Frost is a former QB. He wants to pass the ball.

This is where I am at now with Frost. His career is a statistical anomaly, on the bad side. That won't change, so it's time to let him go.

Most of them were rehired to coach the next season after they were fired (sometimes as coordinators, but nontheless rehired). - I looked it up. You have no point. You just don't like me criticizing your golden pick.

People I know aren’t saying race or racism shouldn’t be discussed. That’s a strawman argument

Username checks out...big time.

he won 15 games in 2 years at PSU....the same number Frost has won in 4.