Gage County Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 7:57 AM, Scarlet said: And with them, their racist ideology died too and hadn't infected their offspring to say spread in another movement right? I was talking about King Lee Day, I kinda feel like you're hijacking the original conversation. It’s really simple, I’m against white supremacy. I’m against these Trump supporters. However, these Trump supporters have little power. Their voices aren’t heard and command little attention. They aren't being elected to office and they aren’t passing laws that advance white supremacy. You know who has power? Keeping with King Lee Day discussion, governors. We have four of them, Bill Clinton, George Wallace, William Allain, and Chuck Robb. They had a choice. Do they support white supremacy or do they fight against it. They all four signed their respective laws. They all four chose to support white supremacy. I hadn’t really thought about but in some ways Sen Strom Thurmond's death does mark the end of the Jim Crow political ruling class. It's not the end of white supremacy, but the final remnant of (ws) political power in the South being laid to rest. What do you think, is that a good metaphor? (give me a +1 if it sucks, +1 if it doesn't. hehehe) I rank Thurmond as the worse politician in my lifetime. When Truman said it might be ok to treat Black people better, Thurmond ran for president as a Dixiecrat against him. When the Supreme Court said it’d be ok for Black and white kids to go to school together, Thurmond wrote the Southern Manifesto. When 39 states said it would be ok if Black people voted, it’d be ok to give them work and pay them for it, and they could have houses too. Thurmond lead 11 states in filibustering and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1957, 1960, 1964, and 1968, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and against ratifying the 24th Amendment. (Thurmond switched parties and voted against the Voting Rights and the CRA1968 as a Republican.) As a Republican, he held office as Senate President pro tempore for many years. Like Thurmond, Allen Ellender, James Eastland, John Stennis all served as Senate President pro tempores. All signed the Southern Manifesto and all cast 6 Nay votes. Richard Russell wasn’t in office to sign the SM but he did his part, he cast 6 Nays. They served as President pro tempores from 1969 to 2001. Throw in Robert Byrd. He wasn’t offered to sign the SM because he isn’t from a Confederate state. He voted 4 Yeas, a Nay, and a not voting. Not a bad voting record for a former KKK member. Byrd held the President pro tempore until 2010. These men had real power, and tremendous power. These Trump supporters have no such power. 4 Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Here's how I did the research Southern Manifesto – Congressional Record https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-CRECB-1956-pt4/GPO-CRECB-1956-pt4-3-1 Starts on p17 of the pdf, Sen Lehman NY-D responds with strong opposite on p19. Senate President pro tempore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_pro_tempore_of_the_United_States_Senate Here’s the roll call votes. I’m including the House votes as well as 3 amendment votes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1957 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/85-1957/h96 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/85-1957/s105 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1960 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/86-1960/s284 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/86-1960/h106 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/87-1962/s226 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/87-1962/h193 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/89-1965/h107 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/89-1965/s178 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/90-1968/s346 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/90-1968/h295 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965#1970 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/s342 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/h273 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965#1975 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/94-1975/s329 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/94-1975/h328 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments to the Voting Rights Act of 1965#1982 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/97-1981/h228 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/97-1982/s669 General information on each Congress. Here's the 86th, they passed CRA1960. No Rs in the Senate in the South, very few in the House. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86th_United_States_Congress 3 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gage County said: It’s really simple, I’m against white supremacy. I’m against these Trump supporters. However, these Trump supporters have little power. Their voices aren’t heard and command little attention. They aren't being elected to office and they aren’t passing laws that advance white supremacy. 1 2 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 14 hours ago, TGHusker said: Reagan didn’t need a southern strategy to win. I think he genuinely cared for all races but sometimes old habits/ traditions got in his way too. But his VP really used the strategy in 1988 with Lee Atwater(sp?) as his campaign mgr Ah but it was put in place years before him, and is still in place today. So whether he needed it our not, it likely benefitted him. 1 1 Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I hear you guys like House votes. Here's the vote on MLK Day. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/98-1983/h289 1 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 44 minutes ago, Gage County said: It’s really simple, I’m against white supremacy. I’m against these Trump supporters. However, these Trump supporters have little power. Their voices aren’t heard and command little attention. They aren't being elected to office and they aren’t passing laws that advance white supremacy. I used to make that argument. I thought we gave organized White Supremacists too much attention: they were tiny parties who were given little space in the public sphere and tended to embarrass themselves whenever they did emerge. Call it political correctness or just correctness, but no national elected official or media outlet would give them cover. That simply isn't true today. It's kinda mind-boggling, but the Trump Supporters of which you speak have normalized racist beliefs, words, and actions. Almost like there were millions of people who agreed with some or most of the White Supremacist manifesto but were afraid to raise their voice. Until it was normalized by a President who actually found a way to sympathize with the Confederacy and Nazis. Tucker Carlson has the highest rated news show on television, and he is providing an incredible amount of cover for overt white nationalism. These people feel their voices are finally being heard. They are being elected to office and they are advancing white supremacy. Not sure which country you're watching. There are a majority of good people on the other side, but pretending they will prevail is dangerous. 1 3 Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: I used to make that argument. I thought we gave organized White Supremacists too much attention: they were tiny parties who were given little space in the public sphere and tended to embarrass themselves whenever they did emerge. Call it political correctness or just correctness, but no national elected official or media outlet would give them cover. That simply isn't true today. It's kinda mind-boggling, but the Trump Supporters of which you speak have normalized racist beliefs, words, and actions. Almost like there were millions of people who agreed with some or most of the White Supremacist manifesto but were afraid to raise their voice. Until it was normalized by a President who actually found a way to sympathize with the Confederacy and Nazis. Tucker Carlson has the highest rated news show on television, and he is providing an incredible amount of cover for overt white nationalism. These people feel their voices are finally being heard. They are being elected to office and they are advancing white supremacy. Not sure which country you're watching. There are a majority of good people on the other side, but pretending they will prevail is dangerous. I appreciate your thoughtful comments. I give them more consideration. Modern white supremacy isn't something I think or care too much about. Id rather read Debois' Black Reconstruction (7% on my Kindle) . I got sucked in because I had done some research on King Lee Day Monday night I listened to Kings 1963 Detroit speech, last night was 1967 Beyond Vietnam, tonight. I'm listening to I've been to the Mountain Top. Want to talk about King's beliefs? How they might apply to Ukraine? Some folks look for answers Others look for fights Some folks up in treetops Just look to see the sights 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Gage County said: really simple, I’m against white supremacy. I’m against these Trump supporters. However, these Trump supporters have little power. Their voices aren’t heard and command little attention. They aren't being elected to office and they aren’t passing laws that advance white supremacy. This is where you’re wrong. There is a reason why the KKK and Neo nazis love Trump and MAGA candidates. 2 2 Link to comment
suh_fan93 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 This could go in multiple threads. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said: This could go in multiple threads. See, what this proves is we need more kids with guns in schools. 1 Link to comment
Loebarth Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 BEST depiction of identity awareness ever!! Enjoy 2 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 50 minutes ago, Loebarth said: BEST depiction of identity awareness ever!! Enjoy FlagandCross.com, eh? If I go there, will everything be this good? 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: FlagandCross.com, eh? If I go there, will everything be this good? Just answered my own question! https://flagandcross.com/prophecy-and-the-2022-mid-term-elections/ Link to comment
Loebarth Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 @Guy Chamberlin .. I say too each their own. Everyone has a news source they follow... that just happens to be one of mine. Outside of the cartoon post, the only article I actually read was this one.. Arctic Blast barreling toward America Interesting that you post a link of controversy though!! Feisty ole men, what are we to do with them? 1 Link to comment
GSG Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Loebarth said: @Guy Chamberlin .. I say too each their own. Everyone has a news source they follow... that just happens to be one of mine. 1 1 Link to comment
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