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3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

OR, it has nothing to do with "I'm better than you," which is a trolling comment, and it's simple practicality.

 

Trump is the most corrupt, dangerous person in the Oval Office in our lifetime. Getting rid of him is, by any measure, the most important thing in this election. No policy comes remotely close.

 

 


That may be true or the way some people view it but it really annoys me when people get on their high horse and say things like “if you don’t do this, then it means you must be/do/believe this other thing”. It’s a false equivalency that drives division and fosters extreme views.

 

People that vote for Trump either prefer Trump or are voting against the other guy.

People that vote for Biden/Sanders either prefer that person or are voting against Trump.

But a person that doesn’t vote against Trump, that can indicate many things that do not equate to supporting Trump or being happy with the status quo. About the most that can be assumed is they may not hold the same level of disdain as you or some others do.

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2 hours ago, TGHusker said:

I was thinking about this last night.  How in the world do we end up wt 2 - 77 + year old  people as the final choices. In 2016 we had a dumpster fire of 2 very bad old candidates.  Yes we had younger people in the primaries this time  - but how do we end up here?  Can we not find enough experienced Upper 40s- 50-60 year olds with enough charisma and maturity and policy skills to run for the WH?  I was thinking of Reagan's complaint.  While acknowledging how old he was - he complained that the Soviet leaders were all dying off on him so he could never negotiate an end to the cold war.  We got old Trump and now old Bernie and Joe.  Nothing wrong with old - we are all heading that way, but I am literally concern that all 3 of them could die in office during the next presidential term.   Obama was in some respects a generational change - younger than GWB.  I had hoped the Dems would have provided a younger nominee.


Yeah, hoping and wishing for better candidates is beginning to feel like a pipe dream. The choices have been abysmal and it sure doesn’t appear that it’s going to head in a better direction anytime soon or ever again. Every time one of these clowns gets elected it lowers the bar that much further for the future. Bill Clinton surely set some new lows but Trump has been feverishly digging to find bottom. Just the fact he still has any chance at all of being re-elected should indicate that our citizenry is not qualified to select a President and/or that our system is beyond broken. Really it’s a complete sh#tshow.

 

The more I think about it, I think I may just ask my kids who they want me to vote for and go with that.  I may suffer some of the pain but they’ll be stuck with the consequences for much longer.

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1 hour ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

many if not most anti-Trumpers support ALL of his policies and cannot articulate why they vote for what they oppose.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/02/804873211/whiplash-of-lgbtq-protections-and-rights-from-obama-to-trump

https://www.newsweek.com/what-has-trump-said-about-global-warming-quotes-climate-change-paris-agreement-618898

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/02/05/state-union-trump-makes-clear-his-aversion-public-schools/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/17/opinion/trumps-xenophobic-travel-ban-punishes-americans-above-all/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-renewables-investment/u-s-clean-energy-investment-hits-new-record-despite-trump-administration-views-idUSKBN1ZF259

 

Most Anti-Trumpers are against: Immigration, LBGTQ rights, renewable energy, public school funding, assisting with climate change? Do you live on the same planet as us? Did you meet these Anti-Trumpers at a Trump Rally? Good god man that is one the most delusional things I've read on the internet and I read a husker football board daily!

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40 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

People that vote for Trump either prefer Trump or are voting against the other guy.

 

This would be true if Trump were like any other candidate in American history, but he isn't. Anyone pretending he's the norm is the problem.

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16 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

This would be true if Trump were like any other candidate in American history, but he isn't. Anyone pretending he's the norm is the problem.


I guess I don’t see anyone pretending he is the norm except those who will vote for him and support him. Once again, not voting against him does not equate to pretending he is any kind of norm or to supporting him. And this is coming from a person (me) who is going to vote against him.

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7 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:


I guess I don’t see anyone pretending he is the norm except those who will vote for him and support him. Once again, not voting against him does not equate to pretending he is any kind of norm or to supporting him. And this is coming from a person (me) who is going to vote against him.

 

This was the argument people used in 2016. And when people pointed out that this would get Trump elected, and he'd be awful, we were told we were "on a high horse."

 

How'd that work out for America back then?  How about we don't slam our hand in that car door again?

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To answer the question about old farts - the electorate skews old. The population is top heavy and old people have a higher voting rate. They probably like other old people.

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Democratic turnout surges on Super Tuesday

Democratic voter turnout surged on Super Tuesday, exceeding 2016 levels in at least a dozen states and setting an all-time record in one of them.

In Virginia, the fourth most delegate-rich state to hold a primary Tuesday, more than 1.3 million voters cast ballots — a nearly 70 percent increase over 2016, when about 783,000 voted in the Democratic presidential primary. That surpasses a previous record set in 2008, when just under 1 million voters turned out.

In North Carolina, turnout was up by about 17 percent over 2016 levels. And in Texas, at least 45 percent more voters went to the polls on Tuesday than showed up four years ago, according to an analysis of vote returns.

 

In only one state did turnout decrease from its 2016 levels: Oklahoma. Fewer than than 304,000 voters cast ballots in the Sooner State’s Democratic primary on Tuesday. That’s down from about 335,000 four years ago.  

 

The increased voter turnout on Tuesday was driven largely by moderates, who helped deliver several key victories to Biden.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

This was the argument people used in 2016. And when people pointed out that this would get Trump elected, and he'd be awful, we were told we were "on a high horse."

 

How'd that work out for America back then?  How about we don't slam our hand in that car door again?


We’re splitting hairs here and we should probably stop. I basically agree with you about Trump.  It’s just a pet peeve of mine when people people make assumptions or blanket statements about others motives. It’s akin to saying anyone who doesn’t take a knee during the anthem supports systemic racism or Catholics who remain Catholic are okay with clergy pedophilia or any of hundreds of other possible examples.

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2 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:


We’re splitting hairs here and we should probably stop. I basically agree with you about Trump.  It’s just a pet peeve of mine when people people make assumptions or blanket statements about others motives. It’s akin to saying anyone who doesn’t take a knee during the anthem supports systemic racism or Catholics who remain Catholic are okay with clergy pedophilia or any of hundreds of other possible examples.

 

Imagine if you had this same passion about the atrocities going on in the Oval Office instead of worrying what others think about you on a message board.

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2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Imagine if you had this same passion about the atrocities going on in the Oval Office instead of worrying what others think about you on a message board.

There’s quite a bit wrong with this.....but the high points.

Its not really a passion of mine and I don’t worry much at all what others may think about me on a message board. If I’m concerned about the perception of me at all it would be that I try to be fair and give others the benefit of the doubt rather than make claims about their motives. I’ve made it abundantly clear what I think and feel about Trump. If my disdain and dissatisfaction with him isn’t strenuous enough for you or others, so be it. Trust me, I’m not worrying about it. And I don’t have enough energy or the inclination to have that much passion for anything transpiring in the Oval Office. Terrible sh#t happens all the time, everywhere. I don’t have enough care or energy to get overly wrapped up in it. Cynicism can be freeing.

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8 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Well, to be fair, that guy attacking him, yelling “disqualified” was a bit of a jerk. He may want to seek some help.
 

Maybe this is an example of why fewer and fewer qualified people seem to be seeking office. Nobody wants to put up with that abuse.

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5 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Well, to be fair, that guy attacking him, yelling “disqualified” was a bit of a jerk. He may want to seek some help.
 

Maybe this is an example of why fewer and fewer qualified people seem to be seeking office. Nobody wants to put up with that abuse.


Politicians need to realize their actions have actual consequences on peoples lives and they absolutely deserve criticism if they make a bad choice. I dont think the vet was wrong at all. Obviously hes mad at the decisions that were mad due to a lie and cost his friends their lives. 

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1 minute ago, Frott Scost said:


Politicians need to realize their actions have actual consequences on peoples lives. I dont think the vet was wrong at all. Obviously hes mad at the decisions that were mad due to a lie and cost his friends their lives. 

He's certainly entitled to his opinion and politicians do need to realize their actions can impact others. But his rage also struck me as a little misplaced and a little out of place for the event. 

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