Danny Bateman Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, TGHusker said: I may have to pull for Schultz if no one more moderate shows up on the Dem side and no one challenges and defeats Trump on the GOP side. The Dem party is loosing me - the candidates are trying to 'out progress' each other - from paid college, 70% taxes, medicare for all, abortion wtout restrictions, etc . To beat Trump if he is re-nominated (help us if that occurs) the Dems need someone to appeal not to just their base - they will get their base voters but also appeal to moderate or even center right voters. There are many things to admire about Sen Harris but after listening to her laundry list of progressive ideas, I tuned out. Bernie and Biden are just too old. I might vote for a pro-choice person (but not a late term advocate) as we've seen the president has little influence outside of appointing judges (which isn't a little thing but it hasn't helped the pro-life side as much as one would think over the last 50 years). By the candidates I've seen thus far, the Dem party seems engaged in pushing the pendulum as far left as they can. Where are the moderates in the party? https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Former-Stabucks-CEO-has-spent-months-researching-13571868.php Schultz sucks, IMO. I was glad to see that guy rip him for helping Trump the other day. Suddenly every billionaire with zero political experience thinks they can run on running the country like a company and we should just vote for them? Personally I'd much rather have Schultz economic policy of fiscal restraint and trying to get the debt taken care of now in good times rather than the massive irresponsibility of Trump's tax plan... but both Schutlz and Bloomberg seem to gawk at the idea of restoring our income taxes to historical norms. This naturally requires asking the wealthy to pay a bit more. They've gotten such a sweet deal under Trump this really isn't a radical idea. Schultz honestly seems to have no actual policy ideas he can espouse beyond fiscal conservatism. The only other things I've heard from him is how our politics is broken and how both sides are failing us with no specifics. I get that's how you have to frame things to run as an independent, but it seems incredibly lazy to mete out blame to "both sides" equally for where we're at. I do think whatever Dem wins will have to shift back to the center, though, so that's good for you. Unless it is indeed Bernie. Then all bets are off! 3 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, TGHusker said: I may have to pull for Schultz if no one more moderate shows up on the Dem side and no one challenges and defeats Trump on the GOP side. The Dem party is loosing me - the candidates are trying to 'out progress' each other - from paid college, 70% taxes, medicare for all, abortion wtout restrictions, etc . To beat Trump if he is re-nominated (help us if that occurs) the Dems need someone to appeal not to just their base - they will get their base voters but also appeal to moderate or even center right voters. There are many things to admire about Sen Harris but after listening to her laundry list of progressive ideas, I tuned out. Bernie and Biden are just too old. I might vote for a pro-choice person (but not a late term advocate) as we've seen the president has little influence outside of appointing judges (which isn't a little thing but it hasn't helped the pro-life side as much as one would think over the last 50 years). By the candidates I've seen thus far, the Dem party seems engaged in pushing the pendulum as far left as they can. Where are the moderates in the party? I'm all ears so far with Schultz. At least what I've heard him say, I'm on board or it hasn't scared me off. My FEAR is that he takes just enough Dem votes to get Trump reelected. So, one of three things has to happen. 1) Schultz's popularity takes off and this ends up being the first time in a long time that a non Dem or Repub gets elected. (really my dream) 2) Shultz is popular enough that during the Dem primaries, he is able to move their talking points more towards the center....even though he won't be part of those primaries. 3) The Republicans come to their friggen senses and allow a meaningful primary with a challenger to Trump and a reasonable conservative emerges for me to vote for. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I'm all ears so far with Schultz. At least what I've heard him say, I'm on board or it hasn't scared me off. My FEAR is that he takes just enough Dem votes to get Trump reelected. So, one of three things has to happen. 1) Schultz's popularity takes off and this ends up being the first time in a long time that a non Dem or Repub gets elected. (really my dream) 2) Shultz is popular enough that during the Dem primaries, he is able to move their talking points more towards the center....even though he won't be part of those primaries. 3) The Republicans come to their friggen senses and allow a meaningful primary with a challenger to Trump and a reasonable conservative emerges for me to vote for. I'm wt you brother on all 3 points. Link to comment
Big Red 40 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I haven’t looked deep into her policies but I like Elisabeth Warren the few times I’ve heard her talk . Thoughts on her ? Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Howard Schulz' candidacy won't last through this calendar year. He's already stepping all over himself. Had to delete this tweet: After being called out for it on social media. Here's an excerpt of the article Schultz was praising as "thoughtful analysis:" Quote Current frontrunner Kamala Harris is far from reassuring. She's a shrill (see the Kavanaugh hearings) quasi-socialist promising pie in the sky -- Medicare-for-all, debt-free college, guaranteed pre-K, minimum basic income, confiscatory taxes -- and she's just getting started. Bernie and others will soon be following suit. Fauxcahontas already has, competing in a game of socialist one-upmanship. Even supposedly centrist Biden is playing along. 1 Link to comment
sho Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: I'm all ears so far with Schultz. At least what I've heard him say, I'm on board or it hasn't scared me off. My FEAR is that he takes just enough Dem votes to get Trump reelected. So, one of three things has to happen. 1) Schultz's popularity takes off and this ends up being the first time in a long time that a non Dem or Repub gets elected. (really my dream) 2) Shultz is popular enough that during the Dem primaries, he is able to move their talking points more towards the center....even though he won't be part of those primaries. 3) The Republicans come to their friggen senses and allow a meaningful primary with a challenger to Trump and a reasonable conservative emerges for me to vote for. Quote I respect the Democratic Party. I no longer feel affiliated because I don't know their views represent the majority of Americans. I don't think we want a 70 percent income tax in America,” he said. Ocasio-Cortez's idea to tax earnings over $10 million at 70 percent has wide support, according to polls—a recent Hill-HarrisX survey found that 59 percent of voters back it. https://www.thedailybeast.com/howard-schultz-blames-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-for-his-decision-to-run-as-independent He's also against Universal Healthcare, wants to cut social security and medicare to decrease the deficit but he doesn't want his own taxes raised. Sounds like he's more Republican than Democrat. 4 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I checked, and 18,000 people in the US make over $10M/yr. We currently tax $500k+ at 37%. So if you’re making $15M that’s $5.55M The 70% idea would make it $7.2M My question is, if we want higher taxes, why not use a less “crazy” sounding number to make it sound more palatable but get the same revenue? E.g. if you make more than $1M, you pay 40% or 45%. Or everything after $2M gets taxed at 50%. 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Honestly, if you look at the economics of our current healthcare system, our current education system, and our current defense budget, things like Medicare for All and Free University aren't the least bit extreme --- they actually make more sense and could easily deliver a better return-on-investment than our supposedly centrist status quo. 2 Link to comment
Oade Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Honestly, if you look at the economics of our current healthcare system, our current education system, and our current defense budget, things like Medicare for All and Free University aren't the least bit extreme --- they actually make more sense and could easily deliver a better return-on-investment than our supposedly centrist status quo. The status quo is already to the left of being centrist. Link to comment
TheSker Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I think a government is overstepping it's boundaries when it determines an individual or family has too much money or wealth and takes it from them. Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Oade said: The status quo is already to the left of being centrist. Even the Right is willing to admit it has shifted the country well to the right, although it has failed to get the government small enough to drown in the bathtub. 1 Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Moiraine said: I checked, and 18,000 people in the US make over $10M/yr. We currently tax $500k+ at 37%. So if you’re making $15M that’s $5.55M The 70% idea would make it $7.2M My question is, if we want higher taxes, why not use a less “crazy” sounding number to make it sound more palatable but get the same revenue? E.g. if you make more than $1M, you pay 40% or 45%. Or everything after $2M gets taxed at 50%. What are you basing these numbers on? Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, TheSker said: I think a government is overstepping it's boundaries when it determines an individual or family has too much money or wealth and takes it from them. Agree. It's pretty awful how the tax codes and loopholes have taken wealth from the middle class and given it to the people who need it least. 3 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, TGHusker said: The Dem party is loosing me - the candidates are trying to 'out progress' each other - from paid college, 70% taxes, medicare for all, abortion wtout restrictions, etc . To beat Trump if he is re-nominated (help us if that occurs) the Dems need someone to appeal not to just their base - they will get their base voters but also appeal to moderate or even center right voters. There are many things to admire about Sen Harris but after listening to her laundry list of progressive ideas, I tuned out. Bernie and Biden are just too old. I might vote for a pro-choice person (but not a late term advocate) as we've seen the president has little influence outside of appointing judges (which isn't a little thing but it hasn't helped the pro-life side as much as one would think over the last 50 years). By the candidates I've seen thus far, the Dem party seems engaged in pushing the pendulum as far left as they can. Where are the moderates in the party? They are pushing ideas that the majority of americans want. Polling says 60+% of americans are for single payer healthcare. Cheap college (doesn't even have to be free) sounds awesome also. 2 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, TGHusker said: I may have to pull for Schultz if no one more moderate shows up on the Dem side and no one challenges and defeats Trump on the GOP side. The Dem party is loosing me - the candidates are trying to 'out progress' each other - from paid college, 70% taxes, medicare for all, abortion wtout restrictions, etc . To beat Trump if he is re-nominated (help us if that occurs) the Dems need someone to appeal not to just their base - they will get their base voters but also appeal to moderate or even center right voters. There are many things to admire about Sen Harris but after listening to her laundry list of progressive ideas, I tuned out. Bernie and Biden are just too old. I might vote for a pro-choice person (but not a late term advocate) as we've seen the president has little influence outside of appointing judges (which isn't a little thing but it hasn't helped the pro-life side as much as one would think over the last 50 years). By the candidates I've seen thus far, the Dem party seems engaged in pushing the pendulum as far left as they can. Where are the moderates in the party? https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Former-Stabucks-CEO-has-spent-months-researching-13571868.php I'm hoping Schultz gets some non-Trump Republicans to vote for him. But I doubt he'll even be running 3 months from now. First, I think he's just trying to drum up sales for his book. Second, I doubt there's many people in the "center". Third, unfortunately the 2 major parties have a stranglehold on the Presidential election and an independent or third party will be lucky to get 1% of the vote, let alone even a single Electoral Vote. Link to comment
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