jessica0 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, Undone said: It's hilarious because when I've said on this forum that we need a "first tier" coach on this forum and that Frost is not that guy, I was practically flamed. Nice to see Chalk Talk saying the same things just from the standpoint of a sanity check about all of the Frost hysteria. The Frost hysteria is of course born out of Riley's terrible results, I get it. You can't be first tier without having won titles of some sort. Coach Frost has potential to become a first tier coach, but nowhere near that yet. If he is able to run the table this year and go 11-0 and win the conference title game to go to 12-0, then that is respectable for a second year head coach. If he loses to USF and finishes second in his division, then you can see the upward trend. First tier are the likes of Saban (took a long time for him to become a first tier coach), Harbaugh, Urban Meyer, Dabo, and the like. National title winning level coaches at the college level or took an NFL team to a superbowl or won the division in the NFL (not an easy thing to do). Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just now, Undone said: I will be absolutely thrilled if we hire Frost if these last five games go like I assume they will go. Absolutely thrilled. Largely for the offense that Scott runs. Sounds good. I would love Frost, but I also won't be jumping off the cliff if it's not Frost. Whoever is named, I would like a coach that is on the younger side of the age-range and that has the potential to be a home run hire. I actually thought Pelini had the potential to be great, but I didn't know he could be a complete lunatic at times. He also didn't like the Nebraska microscope and was looking to get out of here as soon as he could. Link to comment
Undone Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 minute ago, ColoradoHusk said: I actually thought Pelini had the potential to be great, but I didn't know he could be a complete lunatic at times. He also didn't like the Nebraska microscope and was looking to get out of here as soon as he could. I know. I still haven't gotten over how Pelini was billed as a "defensive genius" but could never craft a B1G defense designed to stop Wisconsin's smashmouth offense. 2 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Undone said: I will be absolutely thrilled if we hire Frost if these last five games go like I assume they will go. Absolutely thrilled. Largely for the offense that Scott runs. I would love to see a mix of what Frost runs wt a bit of TO thrown in. Throwing in some old school option would keep the D guessing and off balance - Scott says he still pulls for those options schools when he isn't playing them. Watching the video of the 97 CCG you see how TO would set the D up and then all of a sudden burn them wt a deep pass on a play option pass. 1 Link to comment
Undone Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, jessica0 said: You can't be first tier without having won titles of some sort. Coach Frost has potential to become a first tier coach, but nowhere near that yet. If he is able to run the table this year and go 11-0 and win the conference title game to go to 12-0, then that is respectable for a second year head coach. If he loses to USF and finishes second in his division, then you can see the upward trend. Agreed. If he wins his conference, that is officially "recent success" and impressive success at that. Moos' reputation would make you assume he'll consider all options. I will assume that if Frost is named it's because he truly was the best option available. And if that happens, I will be very happy. I just don't see Riley making the staff changes necessary to make things work. 1 Link to comment
Undone Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 minute ago, TGHusker said: I would love to see a mix of what Frost runs wt a bit of TO thrown in. Throwing in some old school option would keep the D guessing and off balance - Scott says he still pulls for those options schools when he isn't playing them. Watching the video of the 97 CCG you see how TO would set the D up and then all of a sudden burn them wt a deep pass on a play option pass. In my humble opinion, it's better to spend practice time with your mobile quarterback throwing the ball in place of that same practice time being spent on practicing option plays in addition to the base zone read option plays. I just don't see it as necessary at all. I see it simply playing into the nostalgia factor for our fan base which feels good and all, but isn't actually practical or necessary. Again, just my opinion. I could be wrong. 1 Link to comment
jessica0 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 This will get peoples attention. Ryan BassVerified account @Ry_Bass 3m3 minutes ago More .@dennisdoddcbs on Scott Frost: "I am told -- at this moment -- he would most likely go to Nebraska if offered." 7 Link to comment
hskrpwr13 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, jessica0 said: This will get peoples attention. Ryan BassVerified account @Ry_Bass 3m3 minutes ago More .@dennisdoddcbs on Scott Frost: "I am told -- at this moment -- he would most likely go to Nebraska if offered." Sweet! Done deal. Do we have a hand-washing emogee? 1 Link to comment
Pedro Guerrero Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, jessica0 said: This will get peoples attention. Ryan BassVerified account @Ry_Bass 3m3 minutes ago More .@dennisdoddcbs on Scott Frost: "I am told -- at this moment -- he would most likely go to Nebraska if offered." http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/84742-fakenews/ Link to comment
Hayseed Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Undone said: It's hilarious because when I've said on this forum that we need a "first tier" coach on this forum and that Frost is not that guy, I was practically flamed. Nice to see Chalk Talk saying the same things just from the standpoint of a sanity check about all of the Frost hysteria. The Frost hysteria is of course born out of Riley's terrible results, I get it. Frost is a “first tier” coach.... Chalk Talk can kiss my butt. i was just messing with you last time... it’s okay to want a $7 million coach but guarantees nothing IMO ... except maybe he’s a shoe contract cheater who mysteriously gets all the recruits. Link to comment
Landlord Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, jessica0 said: First tier are the likes of Saban (took a long time for him to become a first tier coach), Harbaugh, Urban Meyer, Dabo, and the like. National title winning level coaches at the college level or took an NFL team to a superbowl or won the division in the NFL (not an easy thing to do). Jim Harbaugh is certainly not a first tier coach. At least not in college, and at least not yet. Link to comment
Enhance Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 59 minutes ago, jessica0 said: This will get peoples attention. Ryan BassVerified account @Ry_Bass 3m3 minutes ago More .@dennisdoddcbs on Scott Frost: "I am told -- at this moment -- he would most likely go to Nebraska if offered." Imagine the chaos if this is true and he isn't offered. 2 Link to comment
jessica0 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Landlord said: Jim Harbaugh is certainly not a first tier coach. At least not in college, and at least not yet. JH is without a doubt Tier 1. Mike Riley would be a Tier Z compared to JH. 2004 San Diego 7–4 4–1 2nd 2005 San Diego 11–1 4–0 1st 2006 San Diego 11–1 7–0 1st San Diego: 29–6 15–1 Stanford Cardinal (Pacific-10 Conference) (2007–2010) 2007 Stanford 4–8 3–6 T–7th 2008 Stanford 5–7 4–5 T–6th 2009 Stanford 8–5 6–3 T–2nd L Sun 2010 Stanford 12–1 8–1 2nd W Orange† 4 4 Stanford: 29–21 21–15 Michigan Wolverines (Big Ten Conference) (2015–present) 2015 Michigan 10–3 6–2 3rd (East) W Citrus 11 12 2016 Michigan 10–3 7–2 3rd (East) L Orange† 10 10 2017 Michigan 5–2 2–2 (East) Michigan: 25–8 15–6 Total: 83–35 National championship Conference title Conference division title †Indicates BCS or CFP / New Years' Six bowl. #Rankings from final Coaches Poll. °Rankings from final AP Poll. eam Year Regular season Post season Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result SF 2011 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to New York Giants in NFC Championship Game SF 2012 11 4 1 .719 1st in NFC West 2 1 .667 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in Super Bowl XLVII SF 2013 12 4 0 .750 2nd in NFC West 2 1 .667 Lost to Seattle Seahawks in NFC Championship Game SF 2014 8 8 0 .500 3rd in NFC West - - - Did Not Qualify SF Total 44 19 1 .690 5 3 .625 Total 44 19 1 .690 5 3 .625 Link to comment
skersfan Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) No and if he loses to all three this year and again next year, he will be at Youngstown State. Wolverine fans are not happy with their savior. But maybe it just takes more than being from Michigan or even (gasp) Nebraska to win. We had a 1st tier coach and we fired him. Duh! Edited October 23, 2017 by skersfan Link to comment
Landlord Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Personally, if a coach has no national championships (or appearances in the game), no conference championships (P5, or at least appearances in the game), and hasn't ever finished better than 2nd in his division, that's not tier 1. 4 Link to comment
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