RedSavage Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 44 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: It really is an amazing phenomena how the talent we have brought in from HS, just hasn't produced hardly anything. You would think SOMEWHERE on that list, SOMEONE would have worked out. (other than Robinson sort of, but he left too) We still have a chance with Betts and Fidone. Let's how they become great like we all have thought they could. And MAYBE Bonner and Jones but that's it 1 1 Quote Link to comment
TGHusker Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 15 hours ago, Red Five said: I don't think that Anthony ever showed anything last year in his limited time and probably had no shot of playing this coming year. But we now have 4 non true freshman OTs on the roster: Benhart - awful Corcoran - better suited at OG, awful at OT Teddy - still unproven and can he stay healthy? Hood - needs a body remake, never taken a snap That OT from Stanford that backed out was needed in the worst way. Hopefully there is a plug and play option available after spring ball that we can grab. I wonder if in retrospect if Polar Bear would have worked out better as a OL vs DL?? Quote Link to comment
Born N Bled Red Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: It really is an amazing phenomena how the talent we have brought in from HS, just hasn't produced hardly anything. You would think SOMEWHERE on that list, SOMEONE would have worked out. (other than Robinson sort of, but he left too) We still have a chance with Betts and Fidone. Let's how they become great like we all have thought they could. Development! It was lacking across the board. This is why every offseason we found immediate contributors in the transfer portal and they were all day one starters. No one was working to grow the kids we had. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
gossamorharpy Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 5 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: It really is an amazing phenomena how the talent we have brought in from HS, just hasn't produced hardly anything. You would think SOMEWHERE on that list, SOMEONE would have worked out. (other than Robinson sort of, but he left too) We still have a chance with Betts and Fidone. Let's how they become great like we all have thought they could. pretty mind boggling on paper and a quick glance. Not too surprising though considering: Under frosty the offense was pretty much 2AM centric, outside of a few guys (some mentioned below), no one was really featured besides him Stanley morgan doesnt hit this list being from a previous staff but he did well early on Spielman had moments and then obviously left early Austin Allen doesnt register on this list but was a featured guy for frosty Due to Wan'Dale and JD leaving, probably overly reliant on transfer portal to fill gap and guys like Toure/Palmer dont hit this list yet put up great stats. More of a systemic issue of frost- poor red zone execution: Frosty & 2am had no issue getting yards but the mix of 2am's deficiencies coupled with a s#!t o line and questionable redzone calling= leaving stats on the table Outside of a few stretches of games here and there, I feel like we havent had a runnning back who could confidently score at the goalline since ameer and he wasnt even a classic power back Quote Link to comment
runningblind Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Farms said: Good god.. When you see things like these eat becomes very clear why the previous staff didn't work out... This is why when people say things like "I can separate Frost as a player from Frost as a coach". Nah, I can't. He was the worst coach we've ever had, and that outweighs anything he did as a player. 2 Quote Link to comment
Farms Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said: pretty mind boggling on paper and a quick glance. Not too surprising though considering: Under frosty the offense was pretty much 2AM centric, outside of a few guys (some mentioned below), no one was really featured besides him Stanley morgan doesnt hit this list being from a previous staff but he did well early on Spielman had moments and then obviously left early Austin Allen doesnt register on this list but was a featured guy for frosty Due to Wan'Dale and JD leaving, probably overly reliant on transfer portal to fill gap and guys like Toure/Palmer dont hit this list yet put up great stats. More of a systemic issue of frost- poor red zone execution: Frosty & 2am had no issue getting yards but the mix of 2am's deficiencies coupled with a s#!t o line and questionable redzone calling= leaving stats on the table Outside of a few stretches of games here and there, I feel like we havent had a runnning back who could confidently score at the goalline since ameer and he wasnt even a classic power back As you said Stanley was a Riley guy. Spielman was a Riley guy Allen was recruited by Riley. Toure was good. But he was good before he got here.. Palmer would have never been here without Mickey Joseph. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said: pretty mind boggling on paper and a quick glance. Not too surprising though considering: Under frosty the offense was pretty much 2AM centric, outside of a few guys (some mentioned below), no one was really featured besides him Stanley morgan doesnt hit this list being from a previous staff but he did well early on Spielman had moments and then obviously left early Austin Allen doesnt register on this list but was a featured guy for frosty Due to Wan'Dale and JD leaving, probably overly reliant on transfer portal to fill gap and guys like Toure/Palmer dont hit this list yet put up great stats. More of a systemic issue of frost- poor red zone execution: Frosty & 2am had no issue getting yards but the mix of 2am's deficiencies coupled with a s#!t o line and questionable redzone calling= leaving stats on the table Outside of a few stretches of games here and there, I feel like we havent had a runnning back who could confidently score at the goalline since ameer and he wasnt even a classic power back You state that the problem is that Frost's offense was to much 2AM. Then, you go on and list guys that did well under him. Yes, there were guys that did well under Frost other than 2AM. But, this is talking about HS guys that he recruited, brought into the system and if they shined or not. After looking at this, this part of his program was an epic fail and it's not because of 2AM. 2 Quote Link to comment
gossamorharpy Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: You state that the problem is that Frost's offense was to much 2AM. Then, you go on and list guys that did well under him. Yes, there were guys that did well under Frost other than 2AM. But, this is talking about HS guys that he recruited, brought into the system and if they shined or not. After looking at this, this part of his program was an epic fail and it's not because of 2AM. Where did I state the problem was too much 2am. 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 17 hours ago, gossamorharpy said: Under frosty the offense was pretty much 2AM centric, outside of a few guys (some mentioned below), no one was really featured besides him Here 2 Quote Link to comment
Huskerfollower4life Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: Here I think he means that their wasn't enough guys involved to help 2AM to carry the load. He never said that bc SF put the burden of the team on 2AM shoulders it was his truly his fault. Yes JD and Robinson contributed but in the end it was about if 2AM wasn't going to make a critical mistake at a critical time in the game if others around him would have or should have stepped up to the plate to take pressure off of him. It was the coaches fault for not developing. Second tier coaches for second hand results. 1 Quote Link to comment
gossamorharpy Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: Here Right, so where did I say 2am was the problem? You seem to have added your own adjective to my statement and then called me out for said adjective lol. Frosty's offesne was too 2am centric, that is fact. That statement can also be true without placing blame on 2am 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 8:07 AM, Red Five said: With Brown and Hickman gone, we can update the prior staffs high school WR and TE recruiting. Spoiler alert: It's god awful HS WRs 2018 Andre Hunt - 0 games / 0 yards / kicked off 2018 Miles Jones - 1 game / 26 yards / transferred 2018 Justin McGriff - 0 games / 0 yards / transferred 2018 Dominick Watt - 0 games / 0 yards / never made to campus 2019 Wandale Robinson - 18 games / 1494 yards / transferred 2019 Darien Chase - 1 game / 13 yards / transferred 2019 Demariyon Houston - 0 games / 0 yards / transferred 2019 Jamie Nance - 0 games / 0 yards / transferred 2020 Zavier Betts - 18 games / 526 yards / ?????? 2020 Marcus Fleming - 1 game / 75 yards / transferred 2020 Alante Brown - 22 games / 279 yards / ????? 2020 Will Nixon - 1 game / 5 yards / transferred 2021 Latrell Nevell - 0 games / 0 yards / transferred 2021 Kamonte Grimes - 0 games / 0 yards / transferred 2021 Shawn Hardy - 0 games / 0 yards 2022 Janiran Bonner - 0 games / 0 yards 2022 Decoldest Crawford - 0 games / 0 yards / transferred 2022 Victor Jones - 0 games / 0 yards HS TEs 2018 Katerion Legrone - 1 game / 8 yards / kicked off 2019 Chris Hickman - 5 games / 90 yards / called it a career??? 2021 Thomas Fidone - 1 game / 0 yards 2021 James Carnie - 2 games / 0 yards 2021 AJ Rollins - 7 games / 0 yards 2022 Chase Androff - 0 games / 0 yards 2022 Brodie Tagiola - 0 games / 0 yards 3 1 Quote Link to comment
Toe Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I know I've remarked before about how Spielman was Riley's only WR recruit that was worth a damn. Somehow Frost managed to have an even worse track record with WRs, which is sort of bizarrely impressive. 2 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Toe said: I know I've remarked before about how Spielman was Frost's only WR recruit that was worth a damn. Somehow Frost managed to have an even worse track record with WRs, which is sort of bizarrely impressive. It's really sad that offenses under Frost and Riley would be so dependent on solid/strong WR play, yet, the WR recruiting has been an abject failure under both of those regimes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment
runningblind Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Toe said: I know I've remarked before about how Spielman was Frost's only WR recruit that was worth a damn. Somehow Frost managed to have an even worse track record with WRs, which is sort of bizarrely impressive. Spielman was a Riley recruit (class of 2016), so it's even more impressive. 2 Quote Link to comment
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